Michael Schumacher

The Vettel thread surprised me as such that when I searched for a Schumacher thread, I could not find one. So I propose this thread for Schumacher because regardless of your opinion whether his return is succesful or not, I think we can all agree that there's always something to talk about whether he's had a good or bad race.
Historical Discussion may be allowed on the thread as long as it's on topic.
Enjoy! :)
 
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So even after qualifying we get rosberg 7th schumacher 8th. I can't complain really but it was a shame about the schumacher's spin, we were about to see a battle of titan proportions between the two on identical strategies.
 
Tacitus said:
So even after qualifying we get rosberg 7th schumacher 8th. I can't complain really but it was a shame about the schumacher's spin, we were about to see a battle of titan proportions between the two on identical strategies.
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We did see a battle. The battle was lost when one of them couldn't keep his car on the racetrack.
 
Schumacher's race pace seems to be right up there with Rosberg, and seems to be much better at starts and in the first few laps of the race. While Rosberg is the opposite.

However his qualifying is nowhere near as good as what it used to be.
 
Occasionally fast, occasionally slow. Occasionally on the circuit, occasionally off the circuit. Occasionally has a front wing, occasionally doesn't.

Very inconsistent. The only thing that he is doing quite consistently at the moment is getting beaten by his teammate.
 
Slyboogy said:
Schumacher...seems to be much better at starts and in the first few laps of the race. While Rosberg is the opposite.
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Is that, perhaps, because he frequently qualifies a decent car poorly (i.e. out of position from Rosberg) whilst Rosberg qualifies the same car a bit better, sometimes even amongst faster cars (like Button's McLaren at times, Hamilton's McLaren once or twice, Massa's Ferrari once or twice and the like)?

I'm merely asking a question.

I mean, isn't it harder for Rosberg in a Mercedes to pass - or keep behind - the likes of the faster McLaren and Massa's faster Ferrari...and easier for Schumacher in a Mercedes to pass a Renault or Sauber or Force India or a Williams?

And even then, Schumacher seems to hit a car or two every 2nd or 3rd race.
 
RayInTorontoCanada said:
Is that, perhaps, because he frequently qualifies a decent car ... out of position ... whilst Rosberg qualifies the same car a bit better, sometimes even amongst faster cars? I'm merely asking a question.
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So, having looked it up....

Rosberg qualified the car in the Top 4 twice (China, Turkey)...and 6th (which means he out-qualified at least one of the RBRs, Ferraris, McLarens...) twice...in Canada and Germany.

Schumacher, on the other hand, has qualified the car 10th or worse in 6 races.

It's easy to see, then, why Schumacher usually goes forward whilst Rosberg can't go much forward and, sometimes, drops back.

A Mercedes is only so good. It's certainly not as fast as the top 3 makes...but it's certainly better than the 5th or 6th or 7th best cars at a minimum. Over a race distance, with no variable influences, their natural finishing order - baring any DNF - should be 7th and 8th.
 
Yes it's the 4th best car, but we know how poor Button is at qualifying so usually he or Massa gets picked off by Rosberg. When Rosberg loses places at the start, he loses much more than 2 places.

While Schumacher gains up to his position that he is meant to be in or higher.
 
Slyboogy said:
Yes it's a top 4 car, but we know how poor Button is at qualifying so usually he or Massa gets picked off by Rosberg. When Rosberg loses places at the start, he loses much more than 2 places.

While Schumacher gains up to his position that he is meant to be in or higher.
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I've read this three times and can't make sense of it.
 
Slyboogy said:
Yes it's the 4th best car, but we know how poor Button is at qualifying so usually he or Massa gets picked off by Rosberg. When Rosberg loses places at the start, he loses much more than 2 places.

While Schumacher gains up to his position that he is meant to be in or higher.
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Ummm...I actually don't know about that because Button often qualifies the car well...He sometime's out-qualifies Hamilton (China and Monaco for instance). Jenson's qualifying in relation to Hamilton's isn't as bad as ROS-SCH or ALO-MAS...so, I'm not sure about your statement above, to be honest. I can't varify or deny other than to look at the season as a whole.

As a whole, Rosberg is 7th in the WDC and Schumacher is tied for 9th and 10th with Petrov. Which is neither here nor their either but it does suggest that Rosberg is somewhere he ought to be. I don't think Rosberg is 'losing' "much more than 2 places" (on average) if you look at the WDC or finishes.

Cheers, Sly! :)
 
Brogan said:
Hamilton 7 - Button 3...Vettel 7 - Webber 3...Looks the same to me.
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Correct. I was going to look it up...But if you look at Vettel's 3 "losses" to Webber in terms of Grid Placings, they (Grid Positions) are closer to Webber than Hamilton's 3 "losses" to Button on average.

But you're right, Bro. So, to adjust, i'll edit my earlier post. Cheers. :)
 
RayInTorontoCanada said:
As a whole, Rosberg is 7th in the WDC and Schumacher is tied for 9th and 10th with Petrov. Which is neither here nor their either but it does suggest that Rosberg is somewhere he ought to be. I don't think Rosberg is 'losing' "much more than 2 places" (on average) if you look at the WDC or finishes.

Cheers, Sly! :)
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True that...but bar Schumacher's mistakes, and unluckyness, I do think he would be on par with Rosberg in the WDC or ahead, why? Because ever since Spain, he has been much better compared to the start of the season, he out-raced Rosberg 3 races in a row, then in Britian still managed to close on Rosberg after a drive through penalty and an unscheduled pit stop to replace his front wing and still maned to score some points, and today after his spin he was still only a place behind Rosberg.

I think this battle will be interesting too watch...so far Rosberg has a bit more of an advantage points wise, and a big advantage in qualifying, but if luck eventually comes Schumacher's way we can see a good fight.
 

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