Michael Schumacher

The Vettel thread surprised me as such that when I searched for a Schumacher thread, I could not find one. So I propose this thread for Schumacher because regardless of your opinion whether his return is succesful or not, I think we can all agree that there's always something to talk about whether he's had a good or bad race.
Historical Discussion may be allowed on the thread as long as it's on topic.
Enjoy! :)
 
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Vortex said:
Strange thing is, even if they would have preferred Schumacher to win the title for them I doubt theyd sabotage and throw away their first title since 1979 for him .
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You only had to listen to the comments that came out of TOdt and BRawn to hear that they really did not encourage or back Irvine for the title when Schumacher was out

Although Salo sacrificed a win in Germany to let Irvine through but surely he could have done the same at Monza from 3rd position when IRvine was 6th

That 1 pt would have meant Ferrari would have asked Schumacher to move over in Japan to let Irvine through to seal the title by 1pt

The plan was always that Michael was gonna bring back the holy grail to Ferrari...luckily for Todt he did in 2000 otherwise I am sure Luca would try and play russian roulette and start firing people

Irvine taking the title was never in the plan..in fact Schumacher said he was going to miss the rest of the season to recover
intially when he realised Irvine was in a position to challenge for the title

It was only when Luca called his home after the Nurburgring debacle and his daughter answered that daddy is in the garden playing football that Schumacher had to come back
 
Il_leone said:
You only had to listen to the comments that came out of TOdt and BRawn to hear that they really did not encourage or back Irvine for the title when Schumacher was out

Although Salo sacrificed a win in Germany to let Irvine through but surely he could have done the same at Monza from 3rd position when IRvine was 6th

That 1 pt would have meant Ferrari would have asked Schumacher to move over in Japan to let Irvine through to seal the title by 1pt

The plan was always that Michael was gonna bring back the holy grail to Ferrari...luckily for Todt he did in 2000 otherwise I am sure Luca would try and play russian roulette and start firing people

Irvine taking the title was never in the plan..in fact Schumacher said he was going to miss the rest of the season to recover
intially when he realised Irvine was in a position to challenge for the title

It was only when Luca called his home after the Nurburgring debacle and his daughter answered that daddy is in the garden playing football that Schumacher had to come back
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When Salo was in 3rd at Monza and Irvine was in 6th Salo should have dropped back to 6th to allow Irvine to collect 5th?

You believe Ferrari should give up a podium… at Monza… the Italian Grand Prix… their home race! so Irvine could finish 5th instead of 6th? But as they didn’t it shows they didn’t back Irvine despite as you say Salo giving up his first and what would have been his only race win to Irvine 3 races earlier.

There’s conspiracy theories then there’s clutching at straws. :rolleyes:

If Irvine had been in 4th or Salo was in 5th you can bet they would have switched but this scenario is a bit too far.. even for Ferrari.

I don’t doubt Ferrari may have preferred Schumacher to win their first title in nearly 20 years for them, in fact I bet they thought they’d lost any chance that year when Schumacher crashed and maybe had little confidence Irvine could challenge for the title that year but they certainly wouldn’t deliberately throw the title away to save it for a chance another year just for Schumacher.

I’m afraid this example is not proof they did not back Irvine whether they did or they didn’t, and bringing back Schumacher for the final 2 races is not proof of this either as Schumacher also gave up a race win to Irvine on his first race back. If anything it would help Irvine.

I fail to see any storey in you final statement other than pointing out that Ferrari discovered and decided that if Schumacher was able to play football then he should be able to race.. so they brought him back. If you or I was on sick leave from work with a broken leg and our employer discovered we were able to play football, you can bet your bottom dollar they’d be asking why we couldn’t return to work too.
 
Ok so how many of you think MSC will beat Rosberg in the drivers standings this year?? He has Petrov to thank for not having been ahead of Rosberg by now :censored: Rosberg's still the better qualifier,but MSC has out-raced him this season imo. So what do you think,people?? I dont want this to end up as a popularity contest though :unsure:
 
Rosberg has to DNF. When they finish, they finish together in a position where there is only 2 points difference. So even if he beats him in the next two, its likely he'll still be a point down.

Which is a mammoth improvement on last year.
 
Schumacher does seem to have got a bit of his mojo back.

Mercedes must have been chewing their nails when they backed Schumacher at the end of the 2010 season because he didn't look good enough to drive a trolly around a supermarket however this season he really has started to improve and looks to feel at home in the car.

The real problem is, take out the name Schumacher from the above sentence and it sounds like we are talking about a rookie who had a tough debut year and is now starting to show his worth in a half decent car. That isn't good enough when we are talking about a 7 time world champion.

If Mercedes continue to develop the car and can turn what is without doubt one of the fastest cars through the speed trap into one that is as quick going around corners then there is every chance that we can see Schumacher (and Rosberg) on the podium next year. I doubt very much that Schumacher will continue beyond 2012 but who knows.
 
Good ol' Surtees. One of the best descriptions of race-craft vis a vis what to expect when one has opened the door.:) DC asking what part of the track is his. Priceless! No wonder he always harps on about the racing line in the commentary box - which of course is why he is there without an F1 world championship under his belt.LOL
 
Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he signed for longer, if histories anything to go on, he, together with brawn and crew have a history of developing over the years into a race and title winning team. I presume that’s still the aim so why quit after the development years when (if) the cars good.
 
Washed up ex F1 driver who never acheived his potential says Schumacher is too old http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/7389778/Frentzen-Age-caught-up-with-Schumi

Mr Frentzen says the fact that Schumacher acheived his potential whilst he blew it and the fact his ex grilfriend left him to marry Schumi has nothing to do with him slagging him off at all.

Rest of the world says "Bitter much!"
 
RasputinLives said:
Washed up ex F1 driver who never acheived his potential says Schumacher is too old http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/7389778/Frentzen-Age-caught-up-with-Schumi

Mr Frentzen says the fact that Schumacher acheived his potential whilst he blew it and the fact his ex grilfriend left him to marry Schumi has nothing to do with him slagging him off at all.

Rest of the world says "Bitter much!"
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If you actually go back

Peter Sauber said he thought Schumacher was faster than Wendlinger. Frentzen was faster than Schumacher in his sportscar days


Schumacher only verbally said he may drive for Sauber in 1993 but he actually had a binding contract with Benetton after escaping Jordan after 1 race

Frentzen came into F1 was quick and showed loyalty to Sauber and rejected the Williams offer out of loyalty

Difference is the ruthlessness of Schumacher saw that with Benetton and having seen BRawn and Walkinshaw from Jaguar sportscar team knew they would be a strong team which he could not with Jordan

It was alleged that Schumacher committed himself to the Ferrari deal in 1996 once he knew Frentzen supposedly did not sign for Williams or Benetton - I say alleged

Problem was when people were asking find a driver to beat Schumacher - top of the list was supposedly Frentzen

So when Hill was sacked and Frentzen signed everyone hyped and expected HHF to really challenge and beat MSC.

The testing did not go well as Newey left , JV was quick in testing but HHF was struggling with the brakes. Then first race JV crashed after a scorching pole 1.7 seconds faster than HHF. HHF leads and fails to capitalise and blows his brakes 2 laps from the end ... 2 more DNFs and the flack from everyone was immense..all wondering how can he be better than Hill to able to beat Schumacher ?

A win in Imola and followed by pole at Monaco so his luck turned until the rain came and his race was poor and the rest of the season was filled with accidents, retirements and flashes of his speed where he was nowhere for 2/3 of the race then suddenly was seriously quick when the race was over

Trouble with HHF was he was too moody as Johnny Herbert said compared to the much more methodical Schumacher.

Also he did not deal with the weight of expectation well

Then again he had to make his own luck in F1 and did not
 

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