Michael Schumacher

The Vettel thread surprised me as such that when I searched for a Schumacher thread, I could not find one. So I propose this thread for Schumacher because regardless of your opinion whether his return is succesful or not, I think we can all agree that there's always something to talk about whether he's had a good or bad race.
Historical Discussion may be allowed on the thread as long as it's on topic.
Enjoy!

 

[Vortex]

then it kicked off at Silverstone with Schumacher trying to make up for his poor start with an impatient passing attempt on lap 1 that put him into the barriers

Are you serious? Or are you talking about another season? It wasn’t an impatient overtake as you put it, it was brake failure!

 

[Il_leone]

Are you serious? Or are you talking about another season? It wasn’t an impatient overtake as you put it, it was brake failure!

It was the needle between the two that lead to it because Irvine was only 11 pts behind but still expected to play No 2 and the situation in France where he was denied a podium by not being allowed to overtake Schumacher who was clearly struggling

Also apparently it transpired that both Mclaren drivers were told there was a red flag and they did not bother racing but the Ferrari drivers were not told prior to Schumacher making that lunge

Now one wonders if they were told if Schumacher would have bothered making such what must be said uncharacteristic pass. It was not like a move out of the way team order pass it was an aggressive attempt pass

 

[Vortex]

It was the needle between the two that lead to it because Irvine was only 11 pts behind but still expected to play No 2 and the situation in France where he was denied a podium by not being allowed to overtake Schumacher who was clearly struggling

Also apparently it transpired that both Mclaren drivers were told there was a red flag and they did not bother racing but the Ferrari drivers were not told prior to Schumacher making that lunge

Now one wonders if they were told if Schumacher would have bothered making such what must be said uncharacteristic pass. It was not like a move out of the way team order pass it was an aggressive attempt pass

Dude, are you for real? He had brake failure into the corner! He had no rear brakes.

Normal break bias in F1 is apparently about 55% front 45% rear meaning he lost 45% of his breaking efficiency. Its not a rumour or conspiracy, it’s a fact, they found the fault on the rear brake callipers.

Also, the red flag was for Schumacher’s crash! How can it be out before he crashed?

Seriously did you even see this race?

 

[Il_leone]

Dude, are you for real? He had brake failure into the corner! He had no rear brakes.

Normal break bias in F1 is apparently about 55% front 45% rear meaning he lost 45% of his breaking efficiency. Its not a rumour or conspiracy, it’s a fact, they found the fault on the rear brake callipers.

Also, the red flag was for Schumacher’s crash! How can it be out before he crashed?

Seriously did you even see this race?

I saw the brakes snatch but I am referring to it was unlike Schumacher he never makes such a lunge like that if you look how aggressive he was trying to pass Irvine

Secondly the red flag was already out before he attempted the pass ! Mclaren had stopped racing

Ferrari did not tell their drivers to stop racing so
1) Were Ferrari asleep?
2) They did it Deliberately trying to get Schumacher an advantage thinking it was a safety car instead?
Therefore on everyone's minds why did Ferrari tell their drivers when it was plain to see and all it did was Schumacher ended up in the barriers

 

[Vortex]

I seriously need a face palm smiley

 

[Vortex]

I saw the brakes snatch but I am referring to it was unlike Schumacher he never makes such a lunge like that if you look how aggressive he was trying to pass Irvine

Secondly the red flag was already out before he attempted the pass ! Mclaren had stopped racing

Ferrari did not tell their drivers to stop racing so
1) Were Ferrari asleep?
2) They did it Deliberately trying to get Schumacher an advantage thinking it was a safety car instead?
Therefore on everyone's minds why did Ferrari tell their drivers when it was plain to see and all it did was Schumacher ended up in the barriers

Tell you what, benefit of doubt then, if what you say is true can you tell me why there was a red flag out before Schumacher’s crash? Remember, red flag means the race is stopped!

 

[Jos the Boss]

Im sure there was a staller or something

 

[Jos the Boss]

Race stopped after Villeneuve and Zanardi were stranded on the grid. M Schumacher's accident occurred after the red flags were out. New start for the total original distance

F1 website

 

[Il_leone]

Tell you what, benefit of doubt then, if what you say is true can you tell me why there was a red flag out before Schumacher’s crash? Remember, red flag means the race is stopped!

You clearly forgotten Zanardi and Villeneuve stalled on the grid and the red flag was out
I bloody well know Red flag means race stopped which is the whole point of my post . The fact that Ferrari did not tell either driver or was it because Schumacher had already premeditated the move ?

It was Out before Schumacher made his move

Mclaren confirmed they told their drivers the red flag was OUT but Ferrari did not

 

[Vortex]

You’re part right, a red flag did come out about 2 seconds before the incident happened, watch here:

 

[Il_leone]

You’re part right, a red flag did come out about 2 seconds before the incident happened, watch here:

All teams have would have had some flag system to notify them red flag

The next question would be then

Why did not Schumacher slow down then ?

It looked like Irvine had slowed down ?

Why was not a radio message transmitted then ?

There was a lot of finger pointing at Ferrari whether some blame should be apportioned to Todt or BRawn

What was clear was neither Todt or Brawn were backing Irvine on the drivers title..Todt thought Irvine lost the race missing his pitbox and let it known. irvine hit back saying its okay for Schumacher to crash into the wall in Canada but not okay for him to miss a few feet

 

[Vortex]

Seriously, these conspiracy theorists drive me crazy! I forgot about the stall on the grid I’ll give you that and apologise for, but the rest is total rubbish. Irvine braked at the normal place as did the Mclarens in front, Schumacher had no brakes!

 

[Slyboogy]

Schumacher would have got penalised or would have had to let Irvine back through if he passed him under red flags, I am not getting this argument

 

[Slyboogy]

There was a lot of finger pointing at Ferrari whether some blame should be apportioned to Todt or BRawn

What was clear was neither Todt or Brawn were backing Irvine on the drivers title..Todt thought Irvine lost the race missing his pitbox and let it known. irvine hit back saying its okay for Schumacher to crash into the wall in Canada but not okay for him to miss a few feet

If they weren't backing him then I would doubt they would have let Salo or Schumacher make way for him to gain points, Irvine let himself down.

 

[Vortex]

Strange thing is, even if they would have preferred Schumacher to win the title for them I doubt theyd sabotage and throw away their first title since 1979 for him .

 

[Tacitus]

 

[FB]

Not that Wikipedia is an impartial witness but their summary of Silverstone 1999 states:

While the red flags were out, Michael Schumacher crashed at Stowe corner due to brake failure, breaking his leg. This would keep him out of Formula One until the Malaysian Grand Prix, ending his championship hopes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_British_Grand_Prix

 

[Vortex]

Yup, faulty bleed nipple I believe, a 10 pence component most of use have used when bleeding our own brakes. If you left it open you’d lose all pressure in the brake lines as the fluid leaked out leaving you with no brakes on that braking circuit.

Normal road cars have two brake line circuits, one does the front left and rear right wheel, the other does the rear left and front right. If one line should fail you can still brake relatively safely but with much decreased efficiency with the two remaining diagonally opposite wheels.

A race car is different as they have adjustable brake bias so one circuit feeds both front wheels and the other circuit does both rears. One of Schumacher’s rear break callipers lost its fluid and pressure through a faulty brake nipple leaving him with no rear brakes, only the fronts, that why his fronts locked up but he carried straight on.

 

[Jos the Boss]

Did i read that right? A faulty bleed nipple?!

 

[Vortex]

You did indeed, Double entendres here we come.