Michael Schumacher

The Vettel thread surprised me as such that when I searched for a Schumacher thread, I could not find one. So I propose this thread for Schumacher because regardless of your opinion whether his return is succesful or not, I think we can all agree that there's always something to talk about whether he's had a good or bad race.
Historical Discussion may be allowed on the thread as long as it's on topic.
Enjoy! :)
 
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Yes but it was not like rosberg was extending a gap, a train was forming behind him. Especially since it has been confirmed that red bull were not using DRS in the opening laps to retake the lead to conserve the tires.
 
I thought you weren't posting again Ray?

I'm sure what the boys in Stutgart want are results. No point leading a race and not following through was it. Results mean points and points mean prizes.

Schumi 5th

Nico 6th
 
I'd rather take the lead on Lap 1 from 5th on the grid and legitimately fight for the leadership of the Grand Prix in an inferior car against the fastest drivers/cars in the field...and finish 6th...

...than over-take much weaker cars/drivers and be bailed out by a Safety Car and optimal tyres/tyre strategy ... and finish 5th, never having had even a sniff of the lead.

But, hey, that's me.

I'm sure the Board in Stuttgart is swinging from the trees over a 5th place finish given their investment in the team and Schumacher! :snigger:

People can shout about Schuey's drive all they want but Nico would have finished ahead of Schumacher had there be no Safety Car. Obviously there was a Safety Car. Some win and Some lose...them's the breaks...but that doesn't mean that Schumacher's performance was more noteworthy than Nico's.

[I'll grant him a licence for this one given that he had to start 24th through no fault of his own. But it was a double eged sword given that he could optimize tyres...and tyres were the story of the race. No question.]
 
See Ray I'd value your opinion more if you were willing to except drivers you don't like can have good races. If it had been the other way round I'm in no doubt you'd still say Nico had the best drive.

As for the safety car thing you can say that about Vettel, Button and Schumi and they rank as the top 3 in ratings poll at the moment so its horses for courses ain't it.

Also check the lap times chart Brogan posted for Schumi and Nico - shows Schumacher was just quicker than him throughout the race. Don't think tyres really came into play. Schumacher just had the better strategy
 
RasputinLives said:
As for the safety car thing you can say that about Vettel, Button and Schumi and they rank as the top 3 in ratings poll at the moment so its horses for courses ain't it.
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Vettel lost a hard-earned 6 second lead, though. Inspite of being in tyre trouble!

Button and Schumacher didn't lose 6 second leads...they only gained...and that is why i'm rating only Vettel's drive/weekend out of those three.

Vettel put that car on Pole, over-came pre-race adversity/concerns over blistering and he over-took a mighty set of drivers (Button, Alonso, Webber, Rosberg (twice)) to win!

The passes on Rosberg, Alonso and Button were for 1st place when they happened.

If Schumacher had led from 5th on the grid and finished 6th whilst Nico finished 5th from last, I would have still said that Shumacher was the Hero for Mercedes in the Belgian GP.

I'll admit Shumacher had a very good race...but it wasn't any greater than Nico's effort, IMO.

Cheers. :)
 
If Hammy's crash hadn't happened he arguably would of passed Vettel when his tyres died or when he pitted and led and arguably won as no SC would of happened for that reason
 
RayInTorontoCanada said:
I'll admit Shumacher had a very good race...but it wasn't any greater than Nico's effort, IMO.
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Nah, one driver starts 5th and finished 6th and the other in the same car starts 24th and finished 5th and you say the second drivers drive was no greater than the first drivers drive! Cant agree there, one fell backwards by one place and the other went forwards by 19 places, overtaking the first driver who started 5th in the process.

Both drivers had to use the hard and soft tires and both drivers spent the majority of the race on the softs. The first driver only did two stops but the second did three. The safety car helped get back the time of one of the stops for the second driver. The second driver may have been on a better strategy overall.. but that’s part of the game and challenge to work out the best strategy for the race and conditions and reacting to events on track, like safety cars or rain etc, and the driver still has to make the strategy work!
 
Again, I'm not sure. He was outqualified by Petrov, to start with, and he outqualified his team-mate by default.

We don't know how good that car was in this special race, since there is no yardstick, so again I can't go OTT praising Schumacher, especially since he should have thrown it all away with a drive through penalty.
 
teabagyokel said:
Again, I'm not sure. He was outqualified by Petrov, to start with, and he outqualified his team-mate by default.

We don't know how good that car was in this special race, since there is no yardstick, so again I can't go OTT praising Schumacher, especially since he should have thrown it all away with a drive through penalty.
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He was out qualified by petrov because on his lap he was slip streaming lewis and lewis locked up and so did he so he was comprimised and had to finish the lap or would of been 9th
 
How many accidents has Schumacher been involved in this year?

Hamilton seems to get a hammering in the press yet Schumacher gets off scott free.

The FIA's failure to hand Schumacher a penalty for his double block of Hamilton going into Lesmo 1 at Monza was appaling.

Why the double standard?
 
He got a reprimand for a racing incident, some actually believe Perez brake tested him, he did take an unusual line, don't know what Schumacher was doing either...

He gets criticised a lot for his incidents, and gets the penalties, he didn't get one marginal one in Monza,...
 
That double block into Lesmo 1 wasn't the only double standard Lewis V Schumacher.

I'm also citing Singapore:

Exhibit A

Lewis misjudges his breaking into Massa and gets a drive through penalty

Exhibit B

Schuey misjudges his breaking into Perez and gets away without any penalty (a 5 place Grid Drop would have been somewhat the equivalent).

It's absolutely ghastly how the FIA seems to be favouring Schumacher while, simultaneously, wiping the floor with Hamilton's bum.

First the non-penalization for Shumacher at Monza...now this at Singapore.

The Stewards consistency is utterly hideous.
 

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