Vettel's next team mate SPECULATIONOMETER

[Il_leone]

FB RasputinLives

That is what I meant FB Flav basically would deal with F1 matters but obviously he would propose to his bosses that there is a potential extra revenue and keep the engine costs down if there was an opportunity to supply another team

He would not be sign off for more engines to be built if Renault did not have the capacity to do it. Off course he would not deal with it 100 % alone without backing from his bosses although it seemed Flavio was given too much leeway in F1 matters for 2008 and 2009

Flavio probably convinced Renault that loaning Webber and Heikki as well to Red Bull would be part of some future plan to rehire to drive for Renault
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[Il_leone]

Some website did say if Kimi joins that would make Helmut Marko redundant because after his long campaigning to promote Toro Rosso drivers to Red Bull when the opportunity occurs it did not happen

 

[Bushi]

If Seb leaves in a year or two, than it would probably be better that they sign Kimi to have an experience driver in the team.
But than again he doesn't like to do simulator work, which RB want their drivers to do.

 

[LifeW12]

I want to see Vettel in a non-Newey designed car.

 

[RasputinLives]

Like the BMW he scored a 7th place with on his debut? Or all the cars he won his junior series in?

 

[siffert_fan]

I want to see Vettel in a non-Newey designed car.

Personally, I would like to see NEWEY go to Marussia or Caterham and turn them into winners, thereby justifying his reputation.

 

[Il_leone]

siffert_fan

Has he not done that with Red Bull then from midfield to front runner

He did that with Mclaren who did not win for 3 years

He did work with March but was sacked just as they look good with podium performances in France and Silverstone with Capelli
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It should be Vettel needs to move to justify his reputation that it is not all about Newey chassis' just like Damon Hill proved when he left Williams it was not all down to the car

 

[RasputinLives]

Vettel doesn't need to do anything to prove anything to anyone. He can just take you on a tour of his trophey room and laugh at you.

 

[siffert_fan]

Il-leone

Newey's arrival at RB coincided with that of Vettel (who had won in a TR). How can you honestly state that the team's improvement is all down to Newey? The improvement at Williams can just (or even more so) be tied to the replacement of Boutsen with Mansell (which also occurred coincident with one another), and that at McLaren can just as easily be tied to Mika H.

It is also worth noting that, as I stated in a earlier post here, Schumacher never drove a Newey car and routinely administered beat-downs to Newey designs. Does that mean that Rory Byrne was vastly better than Newey or that Schumacher was SO great that he could overcome an inferior car designed by a lesser engineer? Or does that prove that it is the COMBINATION of car and driver, as I have always maintained, that is most important? There is no fourth choice.

 

[Lewywo4]

Vettel doesn't need to do anything to prove anything to anyone. He can just take you on a tour of his trophey room and left at you.

I heard the same comment before made regarding Lewis, that he must move to another team in order to prove his true talent...
Sebastian has nothing to prove in that same regard, and 3 WDC's which looks as he might be on his way to a fourth, should be an answer to some.....doubters.

 

[The Pits]

RasputinLives Il_leone

You mean this cabinet?

http://cliptheapex.com/media/trophy-cabinet.151/

Interestingly, Newey was at Red Bull since 2006, and it was Vettel in a Torro Rosso with the same chassis which won a race, then it was Vettel who won Red Bulls first race, and their first championship, and their second, third, and maybe fourth.

It staggers me that some still think that he actually has something to prove to anyone.

 

[FB]

Michael Schumacher still has something to prove to some people The Pits. They just can't get over it.

 

[The Pits]

But Michael Schumacher only won 7 championships by cheating, did he not? Have I missed something?

 

[Mephistopheles]

Vettel is always trying to prove something, but not to his critics, it is his own hunger that he is trying to satisfy with his need for more fastests laps, more pole positions, more race wins and more WDC's than anyone else and who's to say he won't achieve these things on his present form? I think we all have to accept that Vettel is this centuries super talent and is likely to remain so for the foreseeable future, even if some of us do not like this fact.

 

[Il_leone]

The Pits siffert_fan

I guess people have short memories when Damon Hill was getting a lot of abuse for losing because its him and winning because its a car designed by Newey and not realised his input until he left the team and improved his reputation

I'd say Vettel needs to win in a non Newey designed car for a start and beat a world class teammate maybe Kimi

Schumacher won all but 3 races in Byrne cars and did not face an equally competitive teammate because the way he dictated things

 

[teabagyokel]

Webber couldn't beat Button in the 2011 Championship. Vettel beat him by 122 points. It's not the car and he has nothing to prove.

Barrichello was second in 2002 and 2004!

 

[Josh]

Il_leone

Are you saying Schumacher isn't a great, then? That would be pretty funny because you once said, in a discussion similar to this, that Alonso is considered a great because of his battles with Schumacher. You can't have it both ways.
And if you're not saying Schumacher isn't a great, and you think he is a great, then what does that make Vettel? He's winning all his races in cars designed by the same guy, has beaten Alonso and multiple other great drivers these past 3 years and is likely to do it again this year, and at the rate he's going he may well get more championships than Schumacher.

Really, your arguments are getting worse with every post you make. Vettel has nothing left to prove.

 

[The Pits]

Well, Il_leone, you keep coming up with ways he needs to prove himself in your eyes, and he will keep knocking out the wins and the wdc's.

And I will accept that he is a great driver, who has nothing to prove.

 

[Mephistopheles]

To be brutally honest I would be wearing a permanent grin wider than my face if Button was achieving what Vettel is and I believe that fans of other drivers such as Alonso, Kimi, Massa and Hamilton would be wearing the same grin if it were their favoured driver in his position.

Actually I would be wearing the big grin face if it were Kimi winning everything as well.

 

[Il_leone]

Josh
Schumacher is not the the greatest of all time
Vettel has to prove he can win in not the best car and beat a world champion teammate

The Pits
Funny it seems British drivers have to go out and prove their better than the car to show its not a fluke or beat genuine world class teammates but it is different for non British drivers that they are not lucky world champions

I'll name Button for a start they said it was the car so he went to Mclaren to prove he is a world class driver taking on someone who was considered one of the top 3 on the grid

Hill as well at Williams it was the car so he showed what he can do without Adrian Newey afterwards