Thast would be completely ignorant of variables. Sure, the championship measures drivers by results and results alone. We, as humans, rather than as regulations, need not.
Head To Head Sebastian Vettel vs Daniel Ricciardo
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Can I just say that regardless of the stats the Alonso, Vettel battle was the best part of the entire race for me I saw nothing wrong with the way either of them were driving despite the comical radio messages both of them gave their all in the fight for position and both of them drove brilliantly, bloody good stuff I only wish there were more of it.
Only drivers of the highest caliber can go toe to toe like that in open wheel racing and not have it end in tears imagine what would have happened if it were someone like Maldonado involved.
Only drivers of the highest caliber can go toe to toe like that in open wheel racing and not have it end in tears imagine what would have happened if it were someone like Maldonado involved.
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No, we need to include our biases in making evaluations, which statisitcs cannot do.
As we are on semantics maybe I should join in.
As the idea of F1 is a competition and that competition is based on results and therefore the whole sport is geared up to acheive results surely the measure of how good an F1 driver is should be the results he acheives or he hasn't set out to do what he should do.
Your English essay can be written in perfect hand writing but if its all about bananas when you've been asked about apples then its worth nothing.
As the idea of F1 is a competition and that competition is based on results and therefore the whole sport is geared up to acheive results surely the measure of how good an F1 driver is should be the results he acheives or he hasn't set out to do what he should do.
Your English essay can be written in perfect hand writing but if its all about bananas when you've been asked about apples then its worth nothing.
I am not arguing that Vettel didn't win the last four championships. I am not arguing that the statistics are wrong. Stats do not tell stories. If you roll three dice and come up with three sixes, would you go and tell everybody to put their life savings on the next roll being a six as well. Vettel has better stats in F1' than anyone on the current grid. That is a pure and simple fact. Vettel is better than every other driver on the grid. That is not a fact. The first is objective and the second is subjective. If you only want objective then you might as well just go to Wikipedia. It gives you all the information you need to know.
Oooohhhhh ..... Danny Boy ......
Ninja
More semantics:
Since you did not say that it is your opinion that Vettel isn't the best on the grid, that intimates that it is a fact. So, please enlighten us with defacto "best on the grid" and provide the irrefutable evidence you used to come to that conclusion.
More semantics:
Since you did not say that it is your opinion that Vettel isn't the best on the grid, that intimates that it is a fact. So, please enlighten us with defacto "best on the grid" and provide the irrefutable evidence you used to come to that conclusion.
Stop being weird. I said it was subjective. You guys have a strange way of not making your point.
Il_leone
World Champion
Fernando Alonso must be laughing he still ahead of Vettel in the championship in an inferior and has always questioned Vettel's credibility as the best driver when he has had by far the best car for the last 5 years
Fernando knew what he was doing on the radio just to wind up Seb
Vettel's weakness appears to be his style is wearing out the tyres harder than his teammate and he is having to make extra stops to compensate...clearly the EBD combined with the Pirelli tyres suited him
- Comparing Vettel to his idol Schumacher M. Schumacher's achievements have been quizzed especially with de facto No 1 status but it was notable in bad Ferrari - Schumacher was much better than Barrichello
I cannot say the same about Vettel vs Ricciardo So far the two have not raced each other hard to the point where they have crashed or tested the team 's resolve ...then it would be interesting which side of the garage the hierarchy support
unlike Webber who clearly felt Vettel was the favourite son.. you cannot say that now
Fernando knew what he was doing on the radio just to wind up Seb
Vettel's weakness appears to be his style is wearing out the tyres harder than his teammate and he is having to make extra stops to compensate...clearly the EBD combined with the Pirelli tyres suited him
- Comparing Vettel to his idol Schumacher M. Schumacher's achievements have been quizzed especially with de facto No 1 status but it was notable in bad Ferrari - Schumacher was much better than Barrichello
I cannot say the same about Vettel vs Ricciardo So far the two have not raced each other hard to the point where they have crashed or tested the team 's resolve ...then it would be interesting which side of the garage the hierarchy support
unlike Webber who clearly felt Vettel was the favourite son.. you cannot say that now
Bushi
Race Winner
If Alonso is laughing at that, than he must be a complete nimwit Il_leone.
Regardless of what car Alonso drove in his f1 career, good or bad performance, he always had the most reliable car. And anybody who knows the tale of the hare and the tortoise knows what happens at the end.
So, because Vettel made a 2 stop in the last race, he must have trouble with his tyres? A different strategy is out of the question here? I agree that he had trouble with his tyres in Bahrein, but since than it's pretty difficult to say if he still has those problems.
Regardless of what car Alonso drove in his f1 career, good or bad performance, he always had the most reliable car. And anybody who knows the tale of the hare and the tortoise knows what happens at the end.
So, because Vettel made a 2 stop in the last race, he must have trouble with his tyres? A different strategy is out of the question here? I agree that he had trouble with his tyres in Bahrein, but since than it's pretty difficult to say if he still has those problems.
What amazes me is that Ricciardo is still finding a way to finish ahead of Vettel even when he is beaten in qualifying. Ok there's been different strategies, safety cars and so on involved over the season that have let him overhaul Vettel in those situations, but even when Vettel seemingly has a handle on the car on Saturday, Ricciardo still pops up ahead of him in the race.
I guess what I'm saying is there's not one area that Vettel can look at and say he's consistently or even regularly beating Riccardo at the moment, which has to be worrying for him.
I guess what I'm saying is there's not one area that Vettel can look at and say he's consistently or even regularly beating Riccardo at the moment, which has to be worrying for him.
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What was Ricciardo's start like?
He made up one place at the start due to Perez doing whatever it was he was doing. Vettel dropped a long way behind him by stopping for fresh rubber on lap 10, 5 laps before Daniel. Vettel's second stop, on lap 33, dropped him from 2nd to 6th and then he spent 13 laps behind Alonso. I would put this one down to strategy at Red Bull.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/07/06/2014-british-grand-prix-lap-charts/
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/07/06/2014-british-grand-prix-lap-charts/
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