Formula E News and General Discussion Thread

quite the entertaining race that for Formula e this morning, in 30+ heat & 70% humidity alot of cars struggling & broke down including a terrifying accident for jake hughes were his brakes failed at high speed & just slammed into the barrier

https://twitter.com/x/status/1936345529212121446

well done to dan ticktum, a great drive, now at the 60th attempt a Formula e winner. maybe he will be known for something other than angrily ramming ricky collard under a safety car

https://twitter.com/x/status/1936347050624356401
 
F1Brits_90 said:
well done to dan ticktum, a great drive, now at the 60th attempt a Formula e winner. maybe he will be known for something other than angrily ramming ricky collard under a safety car
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Personally, I think that there are some actions that should disqualify a driver for life from competing in motorsport. Using the car as a weapon is one such reason. - particularly in junior formulae.

I don't think that there can be any excuse for overtaking a train of cars, under the safety car, simply with the aim of taking out another driver.

I think that some drivers forget that, being able to compete in motorsport is a privilege - and is far more of a privilege than it was in, say, the 1980s, due to the vast reduction in routes to the top, and the vast reduction in drives available at the top.
 
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The Artist..... said:
Personally, I think that there are some actions that should disqualify a driver for life from competing in motorsport. Using the car as a weapon is one such reason. - particularly in junior formulae.

I don't think that there can be any excuse for overtaking a train of cars, under the safety car, simply with the aim of taking out another driver.

I think that some drivers forget that, being able to compete in motorsport is a privilege - and is far more of a privilege than it was in, say, the 1980s, due to the vast reduction in routes to the top, and the vast reduction in drives available at the top.
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didnt help when they joked "bad boy of formula e has won. & his face showed how annoyed he was. it being brought up

it is surprising that he was only given a 2 yr ban for that. does seem quite lenient. i agree i dont he couldve argued if they had banned him for 10 years / life. i guess the only thing i can think of is that. they took him being 16yrs old into account
 
F1Brits_90 said:
didnt help when they joked "bad boy of formula e has won. & his face showed how annoyed he was. it being brought up

it is surprising that he was only given a 2 yr ban for that. does seem quite lenient. i agree i dont he couldve argued if they had banned him for 10 years / life. i guess the only thing i can think of is that. they took him being 16yrs old into account
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In reality, he only was banned for one year. Less than one really...
 
berlin e prix is ok in an hour & also tomorrow in a double header. if your looking for some racing. i struggled to find it on ITVX. you have to go to "live TV" tab & scroll down & it should be there on generic itv sport channel

Oliver rowland could be champion tomorrow

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Ahead of the Berlin E-Prix, Nissan driver Oliver Rowland leads the world championship by 69 points. This means that for the first time ever, a driver could secure the Formula E title in the fourth-last race of the season. e-Formula.news sheds light on the constellations in which this historic...
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rowland has been a bit jenson button like had an incredible start to the season, won 4, 7 podiums in 1st 9 & is now just getting the job done. & i was wrong as well.

rowland could win it today as Rowland wins the title with a victory if:
  • Wehrlein doesnt finish in the top 6
  • Da Costa doesnt finish in the top 4
  • Barnard would have to finish 2nd with the fastest lap
 
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with the busy weekend just caught up with 2nd Berlin E Prix race, thrilled for oliver rowland a worthy champion. driven brilliantly all season, i thought when i saw the grid with wehrlein 1st & rowland 9th. i thought it would be going to london but porsche were dreadful had really screwed themselves with the energy management

Who knew, something good has come out of Barnsley ;)
 
Something I was not surprised to see and read up on is the sheer arrogance of Wehrlein. The incident in FP1 driving Da Costa into the wall which caused hysterics in the pitlane except for Porsche.

On a worrying note Mclaren FE team will not continue reducing the field so the series is losing appeal
 
It’s definitely a bit worrying Il_leone that no one wanted to take it on. mclaren apparently offered it to 4 different investors, all of them said no. From what I’ve read, Gen 4 seems way too expensive for a privateer team to make it worthwhile. If you’re a team like Red Bull, maybe you can handle it, but if you’re more like an old-school Jordan, it’s a big no. The costs keep going up, R&D, standardised parts like batteries and powertrains & customers teams don’t really get the same return as the big manufacturers do, as their no road car to put the knowledge in to

Back when Formula E started in 2014, the goal was that by 2026 the road cars would be close to petrol ones in terms of ease & range but we’re still not there. has the reputation that the racing can be a bit dull too, like a peloton in cycling — very tactical, not much actual meaningful overtaking (although the pit boost feature has helped make things a bit more exciting). the tracks often seem to make the cars look worse, not better. That’s not great for TV numbers. And financially, it’s reportedly struggling the series lost around €39 million in 2022/23, then over €78 million the year after.
 
F1Brits_90 said:
they gone for efficency with the batteries for obvious reasons. but the problem is that its racing has been awful & its been going for so long reputation has been cast
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The racing is absolutely dreadful. It would make more sense for FE to return to the "car-swap" strategy that they had in the first few years, but allow the cars to run almost flat out all the way through!
 
The Artist..... said:
The racing is absolutely dreadful. It would make more sense for FE to return to the "car-swap" strategy that they had in the first few years, but allow the cars to run almost flat out all the way through!
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the worry is that gen 4 is. it could make the problem worse. more power, but i think the battery capacity only moves 47 to 55 & race length stays the same. so could have even more extreme lift & coast. more drivers terrified of leading until the 5 laps.

they need to make the drivers be able to at least 80-85% of their qualifying pace. i would like to see the pit boost for next season at 20-25% not 5-10%. it would make the racing so much better. aside from that i cant think of another option. as they want to make the cars faster for their image, but if they swapped cars, had 2 shorter sprint races a day like BTCC it would look like a failure
 
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From my point of view, there are a limited number of ways to make Formula E properly exciting (and properly road relevant).
  1. The barrier for decent pit stops is the time it takes to properly charge the batteries. Imagine, if you gave teams the option to pit, and replace the entire battery. This technology already exists, and it wouldn't take much to make it a swift, plug and play, solution. You could even give teams the choice. Stop for a new battery midway through the race, and lose time in the pits, or lift and coast. You'd probably gain a lap through not pitting, but would be running so much slower during the race.
  2. Shorter races - if you could chop 10 laps off most races, they would be much more entertaining.
  3. Change the power source to something like hydrogen, and generate electricity through hydrogen combining with oxygen... (Of course, you'd need a safe way of storing the hydrogen).
I would also get rid of the power boost (which is frankly a gimmick) - and introduce push to pass (but that everyone can use, but is naturally limited by the battery storage available)
 
attack mode annoyed me slightly on saturday with Barnard. if we have it it should be paused or at least reactivated with time left if theres a safety car that comes out. because taylor Barnard lost out massively on sunday because he was winning comfortably his teammate brings out a safety car & he gets dropped to 11th. because he was only able to take a minute of his 4 allocated

the problem with battery swaps & shorter races are the management are so concerned with its image. showing how far & how fast these EVs can go that theyve painted themselves into a corner. because they would deem it a failure. for me bigger or more batteries, heavier cars which isnt the problem Formula e thinks it is as. as entertaining racing solves every problem, these only become an issue when it isn't.

Hydrogen is fasinating 1 because it is needed for long haul trips. haulage, & flights. that batteries are impossible to fulfill demand. i dont know logistics of them racing each other
 
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The Artist..... said:
The barrier for decent pit stops is the time it takes to properly charge the batteries. Imagine, if you gave teams the option to pit, and replace the entire battery.
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This was something I could never understand in the very first season with the whole change of car thing. Surely having the batteries on a tray that bolts into the car and can be slid out would enable pitstops to take place?

I haven't been a regular viewer of FE for about 3 seasons now. It came in on a wave of optimism but with the monopoly that F1 has on the media attention and the general lack of development, FE will probably go the same way as A1GP.

It's a shame as it has promise.
 
only just seen the Final Formula E race in london & it was quite funny. because from the team radio's
evans - we are trying to help you
Cassidy - that drive was incredible

“There was not a single message to me, which was a bit disappointing. It was pretty obvious through the race that I was doing my best to keep him in second, but I was not given any information”

& in fairness, evans was friendly & help cassidy get what turned into pole. but Cassidy has no need because it was his final race, so team harmony doesnt matter. as he will likely never be teammates with Mitch evans again, so no reason to be civil

 

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