Mark Webber

I'm a little puzzled as to why Webber doesn't have a page in the teams and drivers section, as Webber is a pivotal figure in the story upfront. There are questions that need to be asked. Why can Vettel win, and Webber struggle to get on the podium fighting Ferraris and McLarens? Why is the man that was noted as a good qualifier unable to get near Vettel? Did the leg break in late 2008 do him serious performance damage? and What should Webber do in the near future?

Mark Webber. Over to you...
 
I'm not really entirely sure what Webber brings to the Red Bull party; OK, he's not going to compete with Vettel for titles but he's still not averse to run him off the road in a Championship decider just to prove he's not a number 2 driver.
 
teabagyokel, I have the same feeling about Mark Webber also. He is never going to compete at the same level as Sebastian Vettel as the last 3 years have shown. But in some ways he is also the perfect No.2 , as in the same machinery as Vettel he more likely to take points off Vettels rivals than to actually take points off Vettel. In some respects he is a David Coulthard or a Ricardo Patrese or Eddie Irvine, there in a championship winning car that there talent dosen't deserve.
 
teabagyokel

Webber is not part of the Red Bull family and does not fit their image to market.

It is one of Flavio's backhanded deals where Red Bull would be offered the cheaper Renault engine than Ferrari engine if they took on Webber as well no doubt

Webber moans like a typical straight talking arrogant Aussie

He's quick enough to keep Vettel honest and help the team win the constructors... accept he is not consistent enough to seriously threaten Seb luckily for Helmut

He's not good enough to be No 1 but more than a No 2


Johnny Carwash

Irvine - had the speed but did not have the application. He knew when he signed for Ferrari he was highly paid to be No 2 off course this was a problem when he started winning races

Patrese - another one of those Williams decisions that baffles most people being a journeyman before a mini revival prolonged his career

Coulthard - he had the talents but lacked consistency to be champion and seems to be at the wrong end of Mclaren's bad luck and pit stop decisions

- Ron beginning to show closeness to Hakkinen was the start of the problem
 
I know exactly how Marks season will go this year, he will perform well for about half the season until he signs a knew contract and then his performances will become at best mediocre.

This has happened every time he is on a one year contract or in his last year of contract, I'm surprised nobody else has noticed this pattern in his driving ability and he is by no means the only driver or sportsman to suffer from what I believe to be some kind of syndrome.

As I am the first person to write about this maybe I should be the one who names it. And so it could be called Lack of Contract Syndrome, or Once Signed Can't Drive Syndrome.....
 
I know but what I am saying is, some drivers up their game to impress and some drivers up their game to justify their new contract,and do not agree with you about Damon he promised Georgie he would quit before he was forty and he kept his promise, also the only big team he ever drove for was Williams, besides which he did Arrows and Jordan proud, very proud indeed, and he was the only driver that could qualify that god awful Brabhams.

You cannot compare Webber to Damon, Webber isn't even in the same postal zone as Damon....
 
Mephistopheles

The thing was Damon made some decisions that were financially based

for 1997 he had Jordan or Arrows and he went with Arrows..he improved the team I 'll give credit from back of the grid to podium contenders

but he was upping his game just as everyone said he would have won the championship that Villeneuve made a real hash of

Even if he joined Jordan he could have won a few races that FIsi and Ralf could not

for 1998 he had Mclaren or Jordan on offer and rejected Mclaren on the basis the offer was insulting and went for Jordan ... it took him mid season to get going when he could have been a race winner and contender with Mclaren

- Jordan offered £10m paid through B & H


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As with Webber

he use to be an arrogant :censored: when he came into F1 he was very hard on Antonia Pizzonia especially who was badly treated by Jaguar in favour of a British driver

Williams could not understand how Pizzonia did not excel at Jaguar - a lot of it has to do with Webber's attitude towards him in the same vein jacques Villeneuve treated everyone with disrespect

He got on better with Wilson who replaced Pizzonia. He had no respect for Klein who got the drive because of RED BULL money

Then he made noises joining Williams was his moment to play with the big boys and frankly he disappointed in 2005

After a terrible 2006 he got a lifeline at Red Bull thanks to Flavio's business dealings
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As for his performance last season...after a good first half he was very poor second half . People were slating Button for a poor mid season but i have to say Webber's tail off after Silverstone was just as awful even more so in the best car on the grid then

he failed to finish in the top 3 again....

I know Helmut likes to turn up the pressure and remind him that he wants someone younger to replace him... I believe Webber will only take one more season of beating by Vettel before he hangs up unless he can spring a suprise
 
Private bloody Island I wish I had a bloody private Island, how do you get one and who do you buy it off of nobody owns Islands so how the hell can they become private?

I CLAIM THIS ISLAND FOR ME AND ME ALONE....
 
Helmut Marko said:
"It seems to me that Webber has on average two races per year where he is unbeatable, but he can't maintain this form throughout the year. And as soon as his prospects start to look good in the world championship, he has a little trouble with the pressure that this creates.

"In comparison with Seb's rising form, it seems to me that Mark's form somehow flattens out. Then, if some technical mishap occurs, like with the alternator for example, he falls relatively easily into a downward spiral.

That's from @Il_leone's link.

I think if you look at Webber's results in 2010 and 2012 they back up what Marko is saying to the letter.
 
teabagyokel

Thats easy to say when your protege is having some outrageous Schumacher esque luck and thinks he has drove flawlessly without making mistakes :whistle: Let's not make any jokes about turning a blind eye with Marko

He's been saying each year about Webber not performing and getting either Buemi,or Algarsuari or now Vergne or Ricciardo to replace him

This is getting tired for everyone to hear and know he wants Webber out for one of his young drivers from the stable in the car

He never seems to carpet Vettel for making amateurish mistakes

I am sure he would not have been happy if Red Bull had told Vettel to move over in BRazil 2010 instead of allowing him to win the race
 
Over the years there have been drivers who have been overrated and drivers who have been underrated but the majority of them have been and are bloody good drivers, at the moment Webber is being underrated because he is not happy with his situation and not comfortable with the blatant favouristism shown at Red Bull and consequently Vettel is being overrated for the very same reasons....

Vettel ain't all that....
 
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