Manor (formerly Marussia)

Bill Boddy

Professional layabout
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What I feel that we need is a complete revamp of the system.

1. Engine manufacturers should be totally separate from the competing teams and should have to supply any team who wants to use their units with identical items.

2. Redistribution of the money should be on a much more favourable terms to the teams lower down the grid.

3. All teams who participate in two thirds or more of the races should get a share of the money according to how many races in which they participate. Hopefully this should not be necessary but see below.

4. It should be made simpler for new teams to join. The current system is a farce, no entry fees would help prospective teams and a more sensible method of selection should as well. However that might well leave the door open for Dave Richards so certain teams might object.

5. In the event of there being too many teams pre-qualifying could be re-introduced.

6. All events to be streamed on the internet with a reasonable charge for use.

It would be nice if manufacturers were to leave but we can't get everything.
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
Don't know if Liberty Media would do anything to help make F1 more even or the new owner being an American..if you are going to advertise F1 to the states then the racing has to be more even to get viewers to follow

But when you have a system where the governing body, the promoters and the competitors must all agree on the share of the spoils no one is going to budge an inch if it meant they will lose out like Ferrari getting $50m a year royalty payments for being part of F1 history

It is sad that Manor have ended up here given it looked like the team was making directions upwards and challenging Sauber

I can't see this changing any sooner . Future independent teams will only survive if they are run as a B team for manufacturers which is what Toro Rosso, Haas and some aspects Force India are
 

TR

Rookie
...Or f1 keeps going at this rate where spending increases more & more at ever more unsustainable rate, ...
Spending in F1 really has not increased that much since the early 2000s. (Which on its own is astonishing since up to that point spending had been increasing in an exponential rate doubling every four years or so.) What I think has increased over the last couple of years is the minimum one needs to spend to stay competitive.
 

vintly

Mostly bacon
Premium Contributor
What I feel that we need is a complete revamp of the system.
2. Redistribution of the money should be on a much more favourable terms to the teams lower down the grid.
Even ignoring the ridiculous historical payments and bonuses to the top three (oh and McLaren, oh hang on and Williams too), this alone would make a huge difference, and requires no mechanism other than agreement.

The $60M approx difference between the top and bottom finishers in the WCC could be reduced to say $20M. Instant relief.
 

RasputinLives

Not dead
Contributor
Also been given permission to run 2016 car......so they'll just go bust at end of 2017 instead.

Remember when teams didn't have to have a brand new car every season and could just keep modifying the one they had until it got it perfect? Must have been a lot cheaper. I guess the regs would have to stay still for more than 5 mins at a time for that to come back though.
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
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Run the 2016 car?

When the 2017 cars are expected to be multiple seconds quicker than 2016 what on earth would be the point in that? Plus, the car would need to be modified in some ways to accomodate the new tyres.

If they can't run for 2017 they'd be better off finding a new investor, taking 2017 off and re-entering in 2018 with a years prep on the car. That way they may stand a slight chance of being able to post competitive times.

No investor in their right minds would want to fund a team so off the pace should they run the 2016 car this season (or even run it for a proportion of the year).
 

RasputinLives

Not dead
Contributor
I agree but they're not allowed to take 2017 off. They have to run or they'd lose their place on the grid and have to apply again. This would cost then a shite load and also lose them any previous earnings and payments. Their place on the grid is currently the only thing making them an appealing prospect for any investor.

Basically it's back to 2015 for Manor.

Of course this all stems back to the end of 2014. If they'd had their payout for being 9th early they'd have been able to complete their 2015 car which was shaping up quite well (and would have had that latest Ferrari engine). They'd have earned more money not trundling around at the back and would have probably been set up better to weather any storm this year.

F1 though has no interest in caring for its back of the field teams and helping them grow into something competitive.
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
Maybe if F1 get rid of Bernie finally there will be some who want operate such megalomaniac approach to making money but why would the bigger teams want to give up their earnings to help small team staff afloat?
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
Staff member
Premium Contributor
It is funny how Brabham were allowed to take a year off when Bernie couldn't find a suitable engine at the end of the Turbo era.

Also, I'm sure Manor could negotiate with the powers that be for a year out.
 

Greenlantern101

Super Hero And All Round Good Guy
Contributor
I really get sick of the Nobody can survive without Bernie mentality. He is one man. Nobody is irreplaceable.
 

RasputinLives

Not dead
Contributor
Greenlantern101 I didn't say he was irreplaceable. I'm saying he does a job that needs doing and whoever takes over doing it has got to be prepared to be as hated as him.

Max Mosley was hated too (and rightly sometimes I Don't like him as a person) but since he was ousted (by the teams I may add for trying to do something most people agreed with) F1 has suffered from not having a replacement that is prepared to play the role he played. Same thing will happen when Bernie goes if someone doesn't step up.
 
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Il_leone

Champion Elect
Bernie does not help either but there has always been big team vs small team rows over money and it usually centres around those aligned with manufacturers who have plenty of resources and those who are struggling privateers
 
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