Grand Prix 2019 Spanish Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Ruslan

Podium Finisher
vintly Great footage :thumbsup: thanks for sharing that. It sort of shows Seb almost backing right out of it, compared to the other cars he seems to pretty much stop. I'm not sure whether he should have done that or pushed on, if he had there could well have been contact I guess and it was better to survive and fight on later.
Yea, it is weird. It looks like he had second secured, and then gave it up for fourth.
 

RasputinLives

So Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
Contributor
Izumi that's very interesting. I'd like to know more. I think from your post that you are one of the people mentioned. Could you explain to me in layman's terms where Merc's technical advantage is and comes from?
 

Angel

🧸
Contributor
Yea, it is weird. It looks like he had second secured, and then gave it up for fourth.
I guess it was that instinct not to crash again, at least he didn't spin this time. We have to be grateful for small mercies.
 
My photos aren't so great but here's a couple of videos with a bit of editing. Our position really shows how badly turn one affected the Ferraris, what a mess. And shows how Hammy was the only one to get the line through 1 and 2 bang on.

great video, congratulations. Regarding Hamilton being the only one who managed to take the correct line into both T1 and T2 that is pretty obvious as he was on the inside line. Vettel had to back off to take T2 as he had a closer angle but on the apex of T2 is already on the pace. Vettel's problem is the next turn, when for reasons that I still don't fully understand he lost 3rd to Verstappen, I mean Vettel got into the turn very close to Bottas and when he got out he had lost a lot of time, something must have happened in turn 3. I've seen some people claiming that since he locked up big time under braking for T1 his car had switched to antistall mode but it seems to me as if he manages to get on the engine no prob between T1 and T2 and out of T2. Anyway Vettel lost a podium finish on that lap in T3, and when I say that he "lost" it I mean that it was something down to his lack of speed on that turn, not Verstappen doing anything extraordinary
 

Izumi

Banned
great video, congratulations. Regarding Hamilton being the only one who managed to take the correct line into both T1 and T2 that is pretty obvious as he was on the inside line. Vettel had to back off to take T2 as he had a closer angle but on the apex of T2 is already on the pace. Vettel's problem is the next turn, when for reasons that I still don't fully understand he lost 3rd to Verstappen, I mean Vettel got into the turn very close to Bottas and when he got out he had lost a lot of time, something must have happened in turn 3. I've seen some people claiming that since he locked up big time under braking for T1 his car had switched to antistall mode but it seems to me as if he manages to get on the engine no prob between T1 and T2 and out of T2. Anyway Vettel lost a podium finish on that lap in T3, and when I say that he "lost" it I mean that it was something down to his lack of speed on that turn, not Verstappen doing anything extraordinary
...something about flat-spotted tire, because he locked wheels, but I am still short of understanding whole sequence...
 

Izumi

Banned
After seeing posted ratings, first impulse was to seek Garbage button, so I can click on it, but now I would like to ask instead, what is methodology used to derive those results? Is there mathematical/statistical foundation, or this is again based on consensus spewed by a small group of wise men siting around round table answering subjectively 5.5 questions, and then averaging guesses for publication?

Long time ago for my own consumption I used to carry out my own set of calculations based on data FiA published. I have taken composite fastest lap of the race as 100% based on three fastest sectors (by any drivers), then I did the same with two teams, and only then calculated performance of drivers based of deviation from such theoretical laps to arrive at race efficiency for given equipment by "my" driver.

I was tired from empty slandering and baseless claims who has or hasn't fastest car. I don't do that anymore. There is no point. Last race was a first race in several decades, which I have deliberately ignored, and did something else.
 
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