Don't need to. Saw it all live.
Head To Head Sebastian Vettel vs Daniel Ricciardo
- Thread starter Greenlantern101
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Don't need to. Saw it all live.
What we have seen so far is truly amazing. It seems impossible that someone could come in to a 4-time reigning champs team and basically dominate him. You can't really get carried away yet with what this actually means, and only time will tell, but if Ricciardo continues this way, it carries monumental implications.
Il_leone
World Champion
Interview with Alonso by the BBC last year including his view on Vettel's credibility which could ring true
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25035783
Instead, it is Vettel who has this year entered an exclusive club of four-time champions, alongside only Juan Manuel Fangio, Michael Schumacher and Alain Prost. Does Alonso himself consider the Red Bull driver as a great driver to rank alongside such names?
"Time will tell us," he says. "There are many years [to go in his career].
"He is 26 years old, so when he will have a car like the others, if he wins, he will have a great recognition and be one of the legends in F1. When one day he has a car like the others and he is fourth, fifth, seventh, these four titles will be bad news for him because people will take these four titles even in a worse manner than they are doing now.
"So there are interesting times for Sebastian coming."
The barb - that Vettel has been able to dominate only because his car is on another level from the rest - is implied, but unmistakable.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25035783
Instead, it is Vettel who has this year entered an exclusive club of four-time champions, alongside only Juan Manuel Fangio, Michael Schumacher and Alain Prost. Does Alonso himself consider the Red Bull driver as a great driver to rank alongside such names?
"Time will tell us," he says. "There are many years [to go in his career].
"He is 26 years old, so when he will have a car like the others, if he wins, he will have a great recognition and be one of the legends in F1. When one day he has a car like the others and he is fourth, fifth, seventh, these four titles will be bad news for him because people will take these four titles even in a worse manner than they are doing now.
"So there are interesting times for Sebastian coming."
The barb - that Vettel has been able to dominate only because his car is on another level from the rest - is implied, but unmistakable.
Il_leone
World Champion
From Andrew Benson on BBC
At Red Bull, the dynamic is every bit as fascinating, as the increasingly impressive Daniel Ricciardo shows a clean pair of heels to his four-time world champion team-mate.
Vettel is making no attempt to hide it, saying he is being beaten "fair and square", and team boss Christian Horner admitted on Sunday that the German was "struggling, and it's difficult to explain why at the moment".
What to make of this?
There is no arguing with the scale of Vettel's statistical achievements in the last four seasons. But there was always a question about how much was driver and how much was car.
So are we now to think that what we watched was a very good, intelligent and consistent driver exploiting by far the fastest car, against a team-mate who was not able to adapt his driving style as effectively to its most powerful feature - exhaust-boosted rear downforce?
Or is Vettel truly the all-time great many believe him to be, and Ricciardo is potentially even better?
At Red Bull, the dynamic is every bit as fascinating, as the increasingly impressive Daniel Ricciardo shows a clean pair of heels to his four-time world champion team-mate.
Vettel is making no attempt to hide it, saying he is being beaten "fair and square", and team boss Christian Horner admitted on Sunday that the German was "struggling, and it's difficult to explain why at the moment".
What to make of this?
There is no arguing with the scale of Vettel's statistical achievements in the last four seasons. But there was always a question about how much was driver and how much was car.
So are we now to think that what we watched was a very good, intelligent and consistent driver exploiting by far the fastest car, against a team-mate who was not able to adapt his driving style as effectively to its most powerful feature - exhaust-boosted rear downforce?
Or is Vettel truly the all-time great many believe him to be, and Ricciardo is potentially even better?
Sounds a little sour graped from Alonso. But then I guess he'd know all about winning titles with the best car and then not winnimg anything after.
Alonso is very clever at playing mind games with the media. He's very good at bagging out the person he considers his biggest rival subtle like. For instance "who do you think the best driver on the grid is?" He's asked and then promptly names the driver who he isn't in a battle with.
Alonso is very clever at playing mind games with the media. He's very good at bagging out the person he considers his biggest rival subtle like. For instance "who do you think the best driver on the grid is?" He's asked and then promptly names the driver who he isn't in a battle with.
Maybe it's an opinion he truly believes in and to be fair there's nothing in that statement that hasn't been peddled by some on here.
Maybe.
I just think Fernando is very good with the media mind games. He started with Kimi just aI week after the news came out he was coming back to Ferrari with his "having Kimi as a team mate won't be any different than having Massa" line.
I just think Fernando is very good with the media mind games. He started with Kimi just aI week after the news came out he was coming back to Ferrari with his "having Kimi as a team mate won't be any different than having Massa" line.
Chris Stevens
Rookie
Ricciardo certainly is more comfortable with the RB10 and is handling the power:downforce ratio better than Vettel is. He needs to get the most out of this before Vettel adapts himself to the new car
RasputinLives - I believe it was "It was a good day for the team, I finished 7 seconds behind Rosberg, but Kimi finished 50 seconds behind" (paraphrased) this weekend...
I hear you loud and clear, Fernando...
I hear you loud and clear, Fernando...
Or Redbull develop around Vettel's struggles? It won't be the first.
Is it still mind games if he was accurate?
Quintessentially , they might have to cheat to do that, what with the reduction in downforce and the increase in torque. It seems that's where his struggles are.
Greenlantern101 well it does seem he was spot on at the min. Either that or the mind game worked!
So just to clarify: If Vettel sinks without a trace its because he's a poor driver. But if he makes a come back its because the car was developed around him.
Not really got much of a chance has he?
If he sinks without trace maybe he's not one of the greatest of all time like the stats would make you believe. I have no doubt he's a good driver and far from a poor one.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27338305
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27338305
Fernando is coming across as quite bitter towards Seb right now isn't he?
Depends how you look at it.
Thats how I look at it.
Il_leone
World Champion
Fernando has been sniding at Vettel's achievements ever since he became the youngest world champion and probably those two incidents at Monza where Vettel actually did come out as a bit of a cry baby about it being OTT on the first one
RasputinLives
RasputinLives
Il_leone
World Champion
Reminiscent of Jacques Villeneuve then !
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