Just because I can't remember it doesn't mean it didn't happen but still I could never imagine Vettel a multiple world champion accepting a number two role...
Head To Head Sebastian Vettel vs Daniel Ricciardo
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Nope can't see it...
Anyway it's all Suzie's fault...
Il_leone
World Champion
cider_and_toast With cunning and some outrageous fortune that Mansell lost one race for a loose wheel nut and crashed out of Japan in a freak accident - 60g impact when his car landed
I thought it was Camel who were actually paying the wages but yeah Honda thought Piquet was No 1 when Williams signed him and were not too happy about losing 86 title to Prost and things got worse in 87.
Every driver has their lows and highs during their F1 career... its more about how you deal with such adversity
A quote from a film " Its not who I am underneath its what I do that defines " does have some truth in it to determine very good drivers from great drivers
I thought it was Camel who were actually paying the wages but yeah Honda thought Piquet was No 1 when Williams signed him and were not too happy about losing 86 title to Prost and things got worse in 87.
Every driver has their lows and highs during their F1 career... its more about how you deal with such adversity
A quote from a film " Its not who I am underneath its what I do that defines " does have some truth in it to determine very good drivers from great drivers
Il_leone
World Champion
I only count 2 top drivers in that list and one of them has regressed so far that it's hard to call him a top driver anymore. The only time he has been up against a top driver he lost (coincidentally also one of the few times in his career where he didn't have #1 status in the team).
Why does Vettel have to prove himself against a top driver while Alonso doesn't?[/QUOTE]
The top 3 Vettel , Hamilton and Alonso - which one has not raced against world champions?
Alonso is trouncing Raikkonen simply because he is doing a better job and there is no 1 and no 2 in the team. No one expected Kimi regressing that badly since he finished the last two seasons in top 3. As against Hamilton he got thrown off by Lewis' intensity and behaved despicably and really his reputation really went down in people's estimation. He's managed to salvage by dragging the inferior Ferrari to places where it should not be against superior cars and proved he is the best driver ( he is beating Vettel and the two Williams drivers currently)
Vettel against a top driver - one feels that the Red Bull hierarchy protect him since he is the golden boy (well certainly Helmut appears to be) - now he has met his equal in Ricciardo who is seen as replacement so Vettel is not enjoying that comfort zone
Why does Vettel have to prove himself against a top driver while Alonso doesn't?[/QUOTE]
The top 3 Vettel , Hamilton and Alonso - which one has not raced against world champions?
Alonso is trouncing Raikkonen simply because he is doing a better job and there is no 1 and no 2 in the team. No one expected Kimi regressing that badly since he finished the last two seasons in top 3. As against Hamilton he got thrown off by Lewis' intensity and behaved despicably and really his reputation really went down in people's estimation. He's managed to salvage by dragging the inferior Ferrari to places where it should not be against superior cars and proved he is the best driver ( he is beating Vettel and the two Williams drivers currently)
Vettel against a top driver - one feels that the Red Bull hierarchy protect him since he is the golden boy (well certainly Helmut appears to be) - now he has met his equal in Ricciardo who is seen as replacement so Vettel is not enjoying that comfort zone
Well Kimi is new to the team so you should cut him some slack on that and on top of which it just looks like he can't be arsed...
Il_leone
World Champion
- he's worked with the team before and he knows both Pat Fry and James Allinson from Mclaren and Lotus so he knew what he was getting into when he rejoined
So really can't excuse him
Yes true but the can't arsedness is a feeling I am fully acquainted with.
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Not really much need to quote my post when are posting directly below it I have the intelligence to get your drift.
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Not really much need to quote my post when are posting directly below it I have the intelligence to get your drift.
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A racer who can't be arsed is not even half of a racer.
There are no number 1 and 2 drivers at Red Bull.
Webber was actually that much slower.
Webber was actually that much slower.
Ricciardo is certainly the driver doing the best out of the two but I wouldn't say Seb was far behind him. But for a few twists of fate we'd be looking at a different picture.
Not taking anything away from anyone because results are results and thats the name of the game but to say Vettel is as far behind Ricciardo as Webber was behind Vettel is a huge exaggeration.
I can see Wombcat is enjoying pulling party poppers at the street party though so I'll just be quiet.
Not taking anything away from anyone because results are results and thats the name of the game but to say Vettel is as far behind Ricciardo as Webber was behind Vettel is a huge exaggeration.
I can see Wombcat is enjoying pulling party poppers at the street party though so I'll just be quiet.
Vettel and Raikkonen are struggling but everyone else on that list has either beaten (Button, Grosjean) or done better than expected (Perez) compared to their team mates in my opinion. And I wouldn't have been surprised if Raikkonen had struggled at Ferrari even if the regulations hadn't changed.
In the races they've both finished Hulkenberg leads Perez 5-3 and Perez got Force India's best result of the season. Considering he was ditched by McLaren after just one season and that Hulkenberg is regarded as one of the best drivers on the grid I don't think you can point hte finger at him as someone who is struggling with the new regulations.
As for Grosjean, Maldonado might be a crap benchmark but that Lotus is a disaster of a car and I doubt anyone on the grid could make driving that thing look pretty.
Button leads Magnussen 8-2 in the races they've both finished, what else can he do? Magnussen may be a rookie but he's a highly rated one.
I just don't think those three are struggling compared to how you'd expect them to be performing.
As for Grosjean, Maldonado might be a crap benchmark but that Lotus is a disaster of a car and I doubt anyone on the grid could make driving that thing look pretty.
Button leads Magnussen 8-2 in the races they've both finished, what else can he do? Magnussen may be a rookie but he's a highly rated one.
I just don't think those three are struggling compared to how you'd expect them to be performing.
There are embryonic signs of Vettel turning this around and improving relative to Ricciardo. And the Asian tracks offer him succor as well.
Given that generally, Vettel and Red Bull seem to develop well through out the season (not withstanding last years tyre design change) I would expect it to be a lot closer between the two following the mid-season break.
Given how far back the Renault / Red Bull package was behind the Merc units at the start of the season, there has been a lot of catching up already but there will still be more to come in the next two or so months. Not enough to see anyone other than Mercedes take the title but enough to give them something to think about.
Given how far back the Renault / Red Bull package was behind the Merc units at the start of the season, there has been a lot of catching up already but there will still be more to come in the next two or so months. Not enough to see anyone other than Mercedes take the title but enough to give them something to think about.
There is also a reasonable argument that Red Bull cocked up their pit stop strategy in relation to the safety car in Hungary which put Vettel on the back foot. It's not the first time Ricciardo has benefited from a split strategy at Red Bull. The British GP is another which springs to mind where the team apologised to Vettel at the end of the race.
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