Head To Head Sebastian Vettel vs Daniel Ricciardo

[teabagyokel]

Most drivers who chop across an opponent on lap 1 don't get punctures.

And yet again, when Vettel gets bad luck it is considered his fault somehow. OK, leave that one out and just stick with the other 4, then, which would have been sufficient for him to have won the title long before Abu Dhabi.

 

[no-FIAt-please]

Don't chop across and the opportunity to get a puncture isn't there, not his fault but it was of his own making. Hungary was his fault however he should have stayed closer to Webber, I know it was for Webber's benefit but Vettel should have stayed within 10 car lengths.

 

[ZakspeedYakspeed]

Apart from Bahrain, Australia, Britain, Hungary and Korea in 2010, that is.

Mechanical issues .... mechancial issues teabagyokel ....

 

[teabagyokel]

no-FIAt-please - He obeyed team orders. And got penalised for it.

 

[RasputinLives]

Indeed!

RBR made sure that we will never know whether Mark was any good though!

Oh that made me laugh Jen. Sorry but we got the answer to that question in 2011, 2012 and 2013. Lets remember he wasn't just beaten by Seb he was destroyed him!

Try as you might you can't put all of the massive gap between them down to team favouritism.

 

[no-FIAt-please]

teabagyokel I disagree, rules are rules and he should know them.

It is ironic that that happend considering Hungary is the only track Vettel hasn't won on.

 

[teabagyokel]

There was no precedent. I agree someone should have known in the Red Bull team, but to expect the drivers to be aware of every regulation in the book is ludicrous.

I'll bet none of the other drivers on that grid knew of that regulation. I suppose Vettel is held to a higher standard than all the others, though.

 

[Bill Boddy]

It's one he should have been aware of. In the end it only cost him two places so hardly a disaster like a mechanical failure.

 

[teabagyokel]

OK, so we're down to 63 points he lost through no fault of his own, whilst he was having all the good luck.

 

[Bill Boddy]

He had the good luck of driving the fastest car on the grid. What more did he want?

 

[Jen]

Oh that made me laugh Jen. Sorry but we got the answer to that question in 2011, 2012 and 2013. Lets remember he wasn't just beaten by Seb he was destroyed him!

Try as you might you can't put all of the massive gap between them down to team favouritism.

Of course you did because you neglected to take account of my next comment which was:

"There must have been some talent or he would not have lasted on the grid for so long".

RBR, with all their money, could have found an infinitely cheaper stool-pigeon, if that was what they wanted.

 

[teabagyokel]

Bill Boddy - So did Webber.

 

[RasputinLives]

Jen I'm not doubting Webber had talent. I've never said he hasn't. I just don't think it was anywhere near Seb's and I think that suited Red Bull fine.

When Senna put Burger in the shade did they call unfair and say the team never really knew the talent they had? No. Teams often run a top driver and a steady number 2. Its actually a tradition in F1. Webber was a steady number 2 that went off in his last year and a half (hence retirement) but to suggest Red Bull 'didn't know what they had' does make me laugh. I think they were absolutely certain what they had.

I'm not dissing Webber (apart from in 2013) in fact over on another thread I was suggesting that (in 2010) he was on par with what Rosberg is now. But the idea that Red Bull were keeping him down is funny to me in the same way the idea of Ferrari keeping Irvine and Barrichello down is funny or Mclaren keeping Coulthard down is funny or even Williams keeping Patrese down is funny. The best drivers take their oppotunties and in all those cases the argument would be less funny if they had been close to their illustrious team mates but, lets face it, they weren't.

Now whether Red Bull brought in Danny Ric thinking he was a steady number 2 I don't know. He certainly isn't looking like one at the mo. But then for the first half of 2010 neither did Webber. Lets hope Danny doesn't go the same way.

 

[soccerman17]

I'm guessing they wanted and were kind of expecting a steady number 2 but didn't really get it at least so far. But they are OK with the alternative for sure. Although neither JEV or Ricciardo were ever going to fit the steady number 2 role.

 

[Mephistopheles]

I think people are being far too harsh on Vettel and sticking the boot in far too early, he has had issues with the car this year and you don't win 4 WDC's on the bounce by luck alone and he managed to restrain himself on the radio when it all went tits up at Monaco unlike a certain other driver I could mention..

 

[RasputinLives]

Great for Danny Ric to get a race win and lovely to Seb being the first to go over and congratulate him.

 

[Greenlantern101]

I'm starting to see a pattern here.

Qually Dan 5 Seb 2
Race Dan 6 Seb 1

 

[no-FIAt-please]

This just in! JEV>Vettel.

 

[RasputinLives]

I still think JEV is better than Danny Ric!

 

[Greenlantern101]

Is there a point to keeping score anymore. Dan is better.

qually Dan 5 Seb 3
Race Dan 7 Seb 1