Mercedes and Ferrari in 'secret' Pirelli tyre tests
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truth any more? 
Blog Zbod
Podium Finisher
Remember when Mad Max said, just as he switched off the lights to his former office at the FIA and walked out the door (or was dragged out) for the final time, "You'll miss me. Just you wait and see."
I scoffed at the time, but the jack-boot-licking old scoundrel was right.
Could a team of Mercedes' stature possibly have been so incompetent as to not have learned anything, even if the tests were being run on shopping trolley casters?
Every WDC point Mercedes scores from Monaco onwards is tainted, unless every other team on the grid receive the same opportunity to prove their incompetence.
Lol gotta laugh. Max was as useful as a cholotate teapot. What made it worse was how often he's credited with safety improvements when Charlie and Sid Watkins did the dirty work. Whatever you think of the outcome of this whole test affair, i believe it's been dealt with the maturity and calming influence that's been lacking in F1 for years. I'm told Todt never Googles himself, ever.
Kewee
Race Winner
The top 10 scandals are currently listed on the lead page of Planet F1. Schumacher and his shunts are listed at number 5 but the team (Ferrari) is not included in any of the top ten scandals, unless you include them in Spygate which would hardly be fair considering they were the victim. Any top ten list will vary of course depending on opinion.
rufus_mcdufus
Champion Elect
The victim, and with 50% involvement.
Kewee
Race Winner
Kewee
Race Winner
Odd comment. Of course they were the victim, it was their information that was being stolen to benefit McLaren. How could they be anything other than the victim.
It could be that a certain member of the Ferrari workforce pointed out to them that they were using an illegal car. In response they replied that they did know that but would keep on using it until they were told to stop and by the way you have just been demoted. In revenge he phoned up his old mucker who just happened to be a McLaren employee and said "Have I got news for you". That might be thought of as Ferrari causing the problem in the first place in some circles.
Kewee
Race Winner
Brogan.....Cheers Paul. look forward to reading it. Any top 10 list will leave plenty out and include lots many won't have heard about. It's virtually impossible to avoid scandal in sport driven by technology.
Even with Cycling most love to hate Armstrong. I'm not condoning his behavior but drugs were in cycling long before Lance Armstrong, he just happened to be competing at a time when the governing bodies were trying to stamp out cheating.
Britain's top cyclist in the 60's, the first to wear the Yellow Jersey and still the idol of many, Tom Simpson, died on the climb at Mont Ventoux in 1967 and was found to have amphetamines in his blood and his jersey pocket. He is still considered to be one of Britain's greats. I guess I'm just suggesting the temptation to push the boundaries to breaking point become overwhelming when someones competing at the highest level. It's easy to judge when we're not in the same position.
Even with Cycling most love to hate Armstrong. I'm not condoning his behavior but drugs were in cycling long before Lance Armstrong, he just happened to be competing at a time when the governing bodies were trying to stamp out cheating.
Britain's top cyclist in the 60's, the first to wear the Yellow Jersey and still the idol of many, Tom Simpson, died on the climb at Mont Ventoux in 1967 and was found to have amphetamines in his blood and his jersey pocket. He is still considered to be one of Britain's greats. I guess I'm just suggesting the temptation to push the boundaries to breaking point become overwhelming when someones competing at the highest level. It's easy to judge when we're not in the same position.
Kewee
Race Winner
Clearly not the same as you Fenderman. Try worms.What rod and tackle do you use Kewee and where can I buy some?
Seriously though. In any technology driven sport if a team doesn't push the rules to the absolute limit they may as well not turn up. Sometimes a team will push just a wee bit too far as has been the case with Red Bull, Ferrari and every other top team in the past. It's when we, with all our knowledge, start deciding whether breaching those boundaries was intentional or accidental that we have so much fun judging.
rufus_mcdufus
Champion Elect
It was a transaction between a McLaren employee and a Ferrari employee - initiated by the Ferrari employee.
Kewee
Race Winner
rufus_mcdufus......Your quite right. The key to your statement is that it was between two employees. Ferrari never had 50% involvement, they had a rogue employee, Nigel Stepney, who was sacked. Initiated by a Ferrari employee, yes, but it had nothing to do with the team. I'm unsure why you would think Ferrari the team would want their information handed to their greatest competitor. Still why let the facts get in the way of throwing accusations at Ferrari. 
Of course there was the barge board thing that Ferrari had which was something to do the size, but being Ferrari Ross managed to convince the FIA that the FIA were measuring the barge boards from the wrong datum as Ferrari had their own special datum from which measurements should be taken from...
Malaysia 1999 if memory serves.....
Malaysia 1999 if memory serves.....
I seem to recall you only need to bump it mate. I'm sure we've already had one.
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