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RasputinLives

Not dead
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Definition of manufacter for me is a business running a team who was not set up for the sole purpose of competing in Motorsport.
 

Izumi

Points Scorer
Definition of manufacture for me is a business running a team who was not set up for the sole purpose of competing in Motorsport.
I cannot speak to era now past, but today you will not find a single team who fits your definition. Ferrari started as a racing team, today some will call them manufacturers, yet Ferrari road sport cars are derivates off an F1 car. (Special, fast, financially not easily accessible, etc.) The same McLaren, and the same Mercedes, believe or not. First was a racing car, then hybrid concept was born. I cannot think of a single case where people would have a product first, and then they thought how to make F1 car of it.

Hybrids were born from "save the planet" movement, and there is only so much oil left underground for human race. Admittedly it was not the best idea ever to play with that in racing series, although one can argue it spiced up WCC.
 
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RasputinLives

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No Izumi you've either misunderstood my definition or you are incorrect. McLaren may have MTC tech on the side but they are first and foremost an organisation with the purpose of going F1 racing. Williams are exactly the same. Ditto Haas. Mercedes on the other hand are an organisation set up to build and sell road cars. They go F1 racing to promote this fact. They will only go F1 racing whilst it promotes and profits their brand. As soon as this stops they will pull out.
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
I guess for Mclaren its a case of pick your brand to advertise with BAT

Dunhill
Lucky Strike
B & H
Reynolds American
Imperial Tobacco
 

Izumi

Points Scorer
No Izumi you've either misunderstood my definition or you are incorrect. McLaren may have MTC tech on the side but they are first and foremost an organisation with the purpose of going F1 racing. Williams are exactly the same. Ditto Haas. Mercedes on the other hand are an organisation set up to build and sell road cars. They go F1 racing to promote this fact. They will only go F1 racing whilst it promotes and profits their brand. As soon as this stops they will pull out.
When Dr. Zetsche said "racing is in our veins" he was then really faking it? Benz in 1894 participated in first world race (Paris-Rouen). Mercedes-Benz has rich racing pedigree which cannot be denied, and if they are making cars and as primary income stream should not stand as barrier to their equal devotion to racing today, be it on different level than some other teams. I am not buying any claims just because you are making road cars, you cannot be a "true" racer, whatever that means.
To make them responsible for issues of today F1 racing is facing I would say is not only unfair, but also not entirely accurate. But that's just my opinion.
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
Izumi RasputinLives is correct look at the history why BMW , Toyota and Honda have pulled out .. namely they were also rans not front runners

Mercedes before Mclaren started winning again were questioning Norbert Haug if they should be in F1 considering it was easier to win in DTM, Indycar and GT racing

Having said that Merc have got too many teams affiliated with team and withdrawing from DTM is a big thing to focus on F1 and Fornula E as it were. The main thing Mercedes wanted when they came back in F1 is a German world champion but they've had to settle for Hamilton because he is the best driver out there which is the next best thing

Why do you think they've monopolised the regulations that even Mclaren is struggling to get to grips with
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
So if Merc started coming 8th and 9th every race how long do you think it would be before the bosses pulled the plug? Quote should change to 'racing is in our blood (as long as we're winning)'
without a doubt that why I mentioned a few months ago that I would say sign or leave, because with the greatest of respect the 2 teams that control a 1/3rd of the grid. Mercedes & Red Bull if they were having the troubles of McLaren or Williams. they would be gone in a heartbeat. at least if they are going to leave do it on "our" terms instead of Toyota, Honda, Renault, BMW leaving us In the lurch
 

Angel

🧸 Smile, it might never happen.
Contributor
[ The main thing Mercedes wanted when they came back in F1 is a German world champion but they've had to settle for Hamilton because he is the best driver out there which is the next best thing.
Only they had Rosberg, he was a German who became a world champion with them, but I take your point.
 

Izumi

Points Scorer
Izumi RasputinLives is correct look at the history why BMW , Toyota and Honda have pulled out .. namely they were also rans not front runners

Mercedes before Mclaren started winning again were questioning Norbert Haug if they should be in F1 considering it was easier to win in DTM, Indycar and GT racing

Having said that Merc have got too many teams affiliated with team and withdrawing from DTM is a big thing to focus on F1 and Fornula E as it were. The main thing Mercedes wanted when they came back in F1 is a German world champion but they've had to settle for Hamilton because he is the best driver out there which is the next best thing

Why do you think they've monopolised the regulations that even Mclaren is struggling to get to grips with
Forgive me, but in terms of objective evidence, I do detect quite a few issues with your assessment, and I would take exception to those, however I had rough morning, so perhaps some other time. Problem I think is, that we let some initial speculative assessments live in media and on the internet for far too long as facts, and now we harness fruits of that foolishness.
 
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FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
BAT own Vype so I suspect we may well see e-cigarette advertising on the McLaren.
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
I am expecting depending which country the races are at then Mclaren will have different brand name relating to BAT

Imperial Tobacco for Canada
Reynolds for the USA
I can;t remember another brand is Brazilian

555 was more associated with China when BAR ran the liveries
 
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Angel

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Contributor
Haven't McLaren also got a deal with Coke? I wondered if it would be red and white to reflect that.
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
The Artist..... Whilst not the cigarette branding like Ferrari were told to remove the Marlboro stripes. I would agree the e-cigarettes or vaping versions would be used to which ever country is equivalent to market the brand
 
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