I think most of the evidence points to them being able to live with the consequences. It was the drivers that had finally had enough. And the impotent governing body seized on an opportunity to be seen as doing something productive for a change.
Pirelli 2013 F1 tyre range
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I think most of the evidence points to them being able to live with the consequences. It was the drivers that had finally had enough. And the impotent governing body seized on an opportunity to be seen as doing something productive for a change.
I thought I heard Red Bull's engineers, team principals and tea-ladies whinging about the tyres once or twice.
I find it incredulous the Pirelli are trying take zero responsibility for the tyres, can someone remind me how deep the shit Michelin were in after the Indianapolis fiasco....
Teams have always pushed the limits of the tyres without much problem, this is definitely a Pirelli issue and not a team issue.
Well it is to my mind anyway...
rufus_mcdufus
Champion Elect
I was under the impression that Pirelli had been tasked with making their tyres less durable this year to 'improve the show'. Might this explain why they decided to switch from kevlar to steel-banded tyres this year? I doubt money-saving really comes into it as it must be hideously expensive for them to make either tyre (small quantities and all).
If Pirelli are adamant that the tyres are fine and they are not to blame, why are the changing the them?
To shut up all the moaning sods who keep blaming the tyres when it is clearly the teams fault for not using the tyres properly. Pirelli are having to compensate for the rank stupidity of the teams by making the tyres so strong the idiots who make the technical decisions can put them on inside out if they want and they will still work.
Peer pressure, the threat of legal action, endless whinging from some teams, fans, forums and pundits, the knowledge that teams won't stick to their recommendations and the possible consequences and 'cos it makes for a good F1 story and that 'keeps the sport alive'.
All or any of the above, plus things we don't yet know about - they make the tyres, so its their problem - right?
All or any of the above, plus things we don't yet know about - they make the tyres, so its their problem - right?
Fenderman
Rooters Reporter
My biggest frustration in all of this has been the inability of the media to report the whole debacle accurately. Race weekend after race weekend we have had ex-F1 drivers and their pundits commentating on this and the word "safety" barely crossed their lips. It's like they are under orders to hold onto the "spicing up the show" message at all costs. Meanwhile we have been crying out loud for drivers to unleash their machines so we can see what they are really capable of.
To me Silverstone was a demonstration of just how cautious they have been this year and what happens when teams and drivers drop their guard. It seems incredible to me that couch potatoes like myself could see all his coming so long ago and our beloved media sat back and waited for it to happen. Whatever happened to investigative reporting? How come experienced ex-engineers and ex-drivers weren't pointing out the blatantly obvious?
I give you two examples of obvious questions that have obvious answers:
1) What happens if one tyre delaminates in a high speed corner?
2) What happens if a stronger bonding process cures the delamination but does not cure the inherent problem that led to it occurring in the first place (i.e. overheating and cuts, etc.)?
We can be grateful the answers to those questions were demonstrated at Silverstone and not Spa or Suzuka, but many folks and I knew and talked about the answers way back when "they" first decided to foist low durability tyres on F1. At the end of the day though Pirelli had a remit to make tyres that would wear out. It was not to come up with a recipe for tyres that fail.
Insofar as our esteemed media didn't apparently see all this coming I forgive them. It would be nice, though, if they could get back on the beam and be somewhat less accepting of the status quo. They should have been asking those questions out loud at least as early as we did.
To me Silverstone was a demonstration of just how cautious they have been this year and what happens when teams and drivers drop their guard. It seems incredible to me that couch potatoes like myself could see all his coming so long ago and our beloved media sat back and waited for it to happen. Whatever happened to investigative reporting? How come experienced ex-engineers and ex-drivers weren't pointing out the blatantly obvious?
I give you two examples of obvious questions that have obvious answers:
1) What happens if one tyre delaminates in a high speed corner?
2) What happens if a stronger bonding process cures the delamination but does not cure the inherent problem that led to it occurring in the first place (i.e. overheating and cuts, etc.)?
We can be grateful the answers to those questions were demonstrated at Silverstone and not Spa or Suzuka, but many folks and I knew and talked about the answers way back when "they" first decided to foist low durability tyres on F1. At the end of the day though Pirelli had a remit to make tyres that would wear out. It was not to come up with a recipe for tyres that fail.
Insofar as our esteemed media didn't apparently see all this coming I forgive them. It would be nice, though, if they could get back on the beam and be somewhat less accepting of the status quo. They should have been asking those questions out loud at least as early as we did.
Exactly, surely it is not beyond the wit of man to make something that wears out in the desired way without it destroying itself in process, we invented tomato ketchup and put a man on the moon for Christ sake....
rufus_mcdufus
Champion Elect
But then it's not so easy when you're hampered by an almost complete absence of real-world testing. I guess it is a tyre manufacturer's prime responsibility to make a tyre that degrades consistently, but when timescales get short (i.e 10-15 laps say, then the difficulty in maintaining consistency in the structure of the tyre as it purposedly disintegrates must get harder and harder. And the pressure is on from the governing body to ensure that any 'fix' to distintegrating tyres doesn't end up making them too durable.
It's probably the lack of testing that's brought us to this point Is suppose.
Well they got it kinda right last year which is why they are reverting back to that spec, If they think this year is hard then what the hell are they going to do next year with completely different demands put on the tyres due to the new power units.
Somebody has to come up with a solution and that somebody has to be the tyre manufacturer whoever they may be.....
In all my years of watching F1 I cannot remember a season long situation like this.....
Somebody has to come up with a solution and that somebody has to be the tyre manufacturer whoever they may be.....
In all my years of watching F1 I cannot remember a season long situation like this.....
Blog Zbod
Podium Finisher
That Pirelli statement in full
Posted in Motorsport, News by Sniff Petrol on Wednesday, July 3rd, 2013
A series of different causes led to the tyre failures at Silverstone:...
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Posted in Motorsport, News by Sniff Petrol on Wednesday, July 3rd, 2013
A series of different causes led to the tyre failures at Silverstone:...
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