Pirelli 2013 F1 tyre range

[Mephistopheles]

Which is exactly what I said in the bloody first place, it can only be done for safety reasons, I sometimes wonder if these people even bother reading the rule book....

 

[Kewee]

I wonder too Mephistopheles. The reality of course is Red Bull were just trying to be clever dicks, Pirelli got caught in the middle of an argument between teams and rightfully the FIA stepped in and stopped it from escalating any further by implementing a very clear tyre rule.

 

[Brogan]

Am I reading the same article as you lot?

The rule states: "Tyre specifications will be determined by the FIA no later than 1 September of the previous season. Once determined in this way, the specification of the tyres will not be changed during the championship season without the agreement of all competing teams."

The only exception to the rule would be if there were genuine safety concerns that required an immediate change.

However, the teams at the centre of the debate suggest that there does not appear to be a safety issue, and even Pirelli admitted itself when it explained the changes that they were not being done because the tyres were dangerous.

Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery said in the firm's press release announcing the changes: "We've decided to introduce a further evolution as it became clear at the Spanish Grand Prix that the number of pitstops was too high.."

Quite clearly then the changes to the tyres are illegal under the tech' reg's unless all teams agree.

 

[Kewee]

Brogan......Everything in your posting seems to be in complete agreement with what we've been discussing. Possibly the only point in question would be the safety issue. I'm assuming the FIA have disagreed with the teams and Pirelli and determined delamination is a safety issue and are allowing a change to eliminate this problem, but no other changes. I said on a previous thread I wouldn't want to see a tyre fail at Spa, maybe they feel the same way.

 

[Brogan]

I have read nothing from the FIA on the issue so I can only presume the FIA do not think it is a safety issue.

If they did, they would have released an official statement.

 

[Mephistopheles]

Yes Brogan we are saying that safety is the only reason they can make changes unless all teams agree.

Pirelli has said that safety is not the issue their primary concern was reducing pit stops which they are not allowed to do.....

 

[Mephistopheles]

Brogan here

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107487

 

[Kewee]

The lead article on Autosport state that the FIA have informed Pirelli they are happy to see changes implemented to prevent delamination in the interests of safety, but it will not tolerate any changes being made to reduce the number of pit stops.

 

[Brogan]

Well that's my point.
If it was a safety issue, the FIA would have said so.
Which is the opposite of this:

Pirelli got caught in the middle of an argument between teams and rightfully the FIA stepped in and stopped it from escalating any further by implementing a very clear tyre rule.

As they haven't said or done anything of the sort, the teams are within their rights to complain at this illegal change.

 

[Brogan]

Brogan here

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107487

Cheers Mephistopheles.

That wasn't the same article which was linked to in the other post so now it makes sense.

I'm frankly amazed that Pirelli and some of the teams thought they would get away with what they planned initially.

What a fucking epic farce.

 

[Mephistopheles]

Basically Pirelli are starting to look stupid...

 

[Brogan]

Indeed.

One wonders whether either party will want to extend the tyre supply contract after this year...

 

[Kewee]

The FIA "have" stepped in and informed Pirelli they can only make changes in the interests of safety, not to decrease the number of pit stops, thereby closing down arguments that were developing between some of the teams. As the FIA have deemed this a safety issue the relatively small changes required to make the rear tyres safe are within the regulations.

 

[snowy]

SNAFU.

 

[Kewee]

Sorry snowy, I'm not up to speed on abbreviations, you need to give me more than that
CANCEL. Got it.

 

[F1 Shift.net]

The FIA "have" stepped in and informed Pirelli they can only make changes in the interests of safety, not to decrease the number of pit stops, thereby closing down arguments that were developing between some of the teams. As the FIA have deemed this a safety issue the relatively small changes required to make the rear tyres safe are within the regulations.

FIA got it right and happy with the call. Tweaks for safety reasons I'm okay with, a complete overhaul (mid-season) to make it more competitive I am not.

 

[Kewee]

F1 Shift.net......It's a very good result for all genuine F1 fans. Many of us would have been very unhappy if teams that had worked hard to make their cars competitive on these tyres had been left powerless to watch another team given a free pass to catch-up. They deserve to keep the advantage they've worked hard to achieve, at least until other teams make the changes to their cars to try and make up ground.

 

[Josephiah]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107487

What's this? Common sense from the FIA? Well I never...

 

[F1Yorkshire]

We do have a problem, we don't want the tyres to stay as they are as it is killing the racing, we also don't want the tyres changed so they benefit one team over another. Pirelli and FIA are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Does anyone else miss flat out racing with no issues around tyre or fuel consumption?

 

[siffert_fan]

Cynic that I am, I can't help wondering how the FIA would have ruled if it was Ferrari that was disadvantaged by the tyres.