Pirelli 2013 F1 tyre range

F1Yorkshire.......I have no memory of F1 ever being about flat-out racing, there has always been a degree of conservation which teams build their strategy around. The only flat-out racing you'll see is sprint racing fought out over short 20 lap approx races. Thankfully F1 is about much more than that.

siffert_fan......Yes you are being a cynic. Favoritism regarding rulings in Ferrari's favor ended years ago. It's probably fair to say the change came in 2010 when Ferrari returned to its Italian roots when the Schumacher era ended.
 
I seem to remember way back in the days of the 1.5 turbo Vs the 3ltr NA cars the drivers using turbos would have to be careful when to switch the turbo on because if they used them too much they would either blow up or they would run out of fuel..

I think that is correct...:thinking: Or was it superchargers, anyway the principle is the same they couldn't go flat out all of the time...
 
F1Yorkshire said:
Does anyone else miss flat out racing with no issues around tyre or fuel consumption?
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Yes......although tire degredation and fuel consumption are important ingredients which have a role to play in F1, but not to the extereme of drivers asking the pitwall, whether I can go faster, or tires falling off a cliff after just a few laps. i would glady like to see a race similar to that of last seasons U.S. Grand Prix, whereas the 2 leaders had a race long duel, and the winner was determined not because his opponents tires fell off a cliff.
 
right yeah anyway autosport are reporting that the tyre tweaks can only be minor now due to FIA ruling.

pro: at least it should hold Red-Bull back (temporarily) and keep Raikkonen in contention.
con: we won't get real racing back till at least next year.
 
teabagyokel my concern isn't Mercedes lack of competitiveness, it's lack of racing, lack of cars going flat out, lack of drivers putting the car at the limit. Apart from Spain Mercedes have performed better than I expected, so it's not that. I just don't want to see the pinnacle of motor sport running around the track slower than the lower category and 3-5 secs off their potential pace. Also not even able to drive flat out in quali because the tyres won't hold out for even one lap. Thats how the Mercs locked out the front row and how Perez did well. They'd Sussed out that you have to go slow in sector one so that your tyres still work in sector three. Roseberg was 5th in sector 1 and got pole, Hamilton was 10th in sector one and got second. So the drivers can't even push in quali. That's what I think is poo. I want to see drivers pushing.
 
I think it's time to stop judging F1 and this season by the GP in Spain. This was a one-off as far as track conditions are concerned. This track is known to be abrasive and may be the only GP that required 4 stops. Returning to my earlier posting, I'm not interested in F1 becoming a series of sprints, I'm happy to see that left to GP2 and GP3. Formula One will hopefully always include the skills of driving around a changing car due to tyre wear and changing track conditions. I've always said there are three types of motor racing, Endurance, Sprint, and Grand Prix's, you could include a fourth in Rallying. Let's keep F1 as the unique special class that it is and not turn it into a meaningless form of sprint racing. It's worthwhile learning to appreciate it takes a very special driver to get the best out of a changing car, in fact only the very best are able to. To all who want to see the cars going flat out, the technology in these cars can only work through four small patches of rubber. The cars technology is always restricted to a degree by tyre performance. If they complete a GP using almost all their tyre life they are going flat-out using all their skill driving to their cars limits, as determined by their tyres.
 
The problem is, everything is getting so extreme.

I'm one of the current tyre's biggest critics, but even I wouldn't argue that the only proper alternative is balls-out, no-holds barred racing, flat out for the whole 200 miles. That's never happened in F1, and would probably be pretty tedious if it did. Formula 1 has always been about a balance of driver, team, machine and conditions be they tyres, weather, fuel, mechanical reliability etc.

As Kewee points out, F1 sits somewhere between sprint and endurance racing but yet distinct from both, with its own unique character and challenges. That's what I have always loved about it (even though I have been going off it recently).

This is the problem I have with these tyres; they are too extreme, at the opposite end of the scale to flat-out racing, which is why I hate them. They have gone too far in the attempt to 'improve the show'.

Hopefully, following the FIA ruling on the matter, other than the structural changes to eliminate the catastrophic failures any adjustments felt necessary to affect the racing can now be made by tweaking the compounds taken to each race rather than changing the tyre construction, which would inevitably have risked questions about the validity of the eventual champion at the end of the season.
 
Chad Stewarthill and racecub have nailed it for me.

I'm not saying drivers should be doing qually laps instead of racing laps but neither should they be going slower than GP2 and making sure they don't get invloved in a wheel to wheel race.

They should be able to go 100% right on the very limit of what car and driver are capable through every inch of the track in qually. And then the race should be in between sprint and endurance. Which is not what it is now, the race is basically endurance.

Yeah they should have to look after the car and make the equipment at their disposal last longer and make the best of it.

But they should be able to push near to the limit for a part of their stint and have wheel to wheel racing as well.
 

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