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Not my cup of cake
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Toto fancies a Mercedes B team, such as Ferrari now have with Sauber: Mercedes open to idea of F1 B-Team

I'm not sure what brand Mercedes could use for this as looking at their Wiki page Daimler AG owns AMG, already associated with the main team, Maybach, not much or a racing heritage there, and Smart, struggling to see how that brand would work in F1. Have I missed any other brands Merc have access to? Suppose they could use their truck division like Leyland did with Williams back in the 80's.
 

RasputinLives

Doesn't look a bit like Jesus
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Toto fancies a Mercedes B team, such as Ferrari now have with Sauber:
They used to have one called Williams I remember.

Seriously though does anyone wonder if by 2025 the grid will just have Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault and other teams owned by them with different brand names?
 
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siffert_fan

Too old to watch the Asian races live.
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Brown urges Liberty to press ahead despite threats - Pitpass.com

Personally, I agree with Brown.

Having grown up following F1 in the Coventry-Climax and Cosworth eras, I, for one would not miss the manufacturers. It would make the drivers MUCH more a part of the results than they are now, and, if the rules were relaxed to reflect the lower budgets that would go with the loss of the manufacturers, there could very well be an influx of new, highly imaginative teams which would make the sport vastly more interesting than it is today.
 

Greenlantern101

Super Hero And All Round Good Guy
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If they don't change the money distribution F1 is doomed to fail. It has to happen even if Mercedes and Ferrari quit. I'm sure they would sulk for a few years but then come back in. They need F1 as much as F1 needs them.
 

Bleu

Points Scorer
I built a calculator where 75% would be shared equally, 12,5% historically and 12,5% on season points. While in real-life Ferrari got 180 million (most) and Haas 19 (least), in that calculation numbers would have been 130,2 and 73,8.
 

siffert_fan

Too old to watch the Asian races live.
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Maybe if Ocon had been allowed to offer some resistance, Hamilton wouldn't have found the race as boring as he claims it was!
 

The Artist.....

Champion Elect
I’d be looking at whether this is Mercedes bringing the sport into disrepute... it is certainly akin to cheating, not least as they were fighting for position...
 

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Not my cup of cake
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I'm with The Artist..... on this one if that is true, and let's be honest just because it is on the internet is no guarantee that it is. The FIA should be investigating as no team should be able to order another out of the way on track regardless of whether they "own" the driver or supply their engines. I presume Force India don't get the power units for free?

If Sauber or Haas were made to do the same by Ferrari I suspect Toto would be apoplectic.
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
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“It was pointless to fight with him, especially as he had new tyres.”
This is now known as the Couthard definition whereby a slower car should under no circumstances hold up a faster one if the slower car is not in the championship hunt. I.E. Ricciardo leading the race in a knackered car holding up Vettel is absolutely fine. Ocon in a Force India (regardless of engine contracts etc) holding up Hamilton for 5th place, oh no, not fine.

Asked if there was an ‘unwritten rule’ that Mercedes-powered Force India were not to make things difficult for the Silver Arrows, Ocon answered: “Maybe.”
I wonder if he'll have a different opinion if he's in third place with a lap or two to go and has Hamilton or Botty breathing down his neck?

Belgian newspaper La Dernière Heure then got confirmation from Mercedes boss Toto Wolff that Ocon had been ordered to move aside.

“Yes, because that’s the way it is,” Wolff simply said.
The only thing that makes me wonder about this being actually true is that Wolff is normally very very political in the way he responds to these sorts of questions. It doesn't sound like a Wolff response. Lauda on the other hand would have something like that.

As it is, I've looked around the interweb-a-me-bob and none of the more major F1 outlets are reporting this or are in any way up in arms about it so it looks like nothing is going to happen.
 

RasputinLives

Doesn't look a bit like Jesus
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As it is, I've looked around the interweb-a-me-bob and none of the more major F1 outlets are reporting this or are in any way up in arms about it so it looks like nothing is going to happen.
All those freebies, hospitality and 'exclusives' they butter up the mainstream media with really come in handy for this sort of thing. Let's face it Sky F1 virtually live in the Mercedes hospitality area.
 
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