Mercedes and Ferrari in 'secret' Pirelli tyre tests

In other words Fenderman and to put it succinctly and briefly, not to beat about the bush or put too fine a point on it, judging by all the information we have to hand and weighing it up without being bias to either or parties involved and just so that we don't judge or condemn any individual person or persons unfairly, that may or may not be involved or associated with the unfortunate affair, that is to say in all fairness and honesty.

A complete fuck up....
 
News just in, Red Bull throws party at news that Mercedes are screwed

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Somehow whatever the outcome of this tribunal is I don't think the FIA are going to come out very well.
They really have made a muck-up of things & it's something that's we've seen coming for years with their grey area rules & unofficial officials.
I always get the feeling we are being spoken to by Sir Humprey (google Yes Minister, Mephistopheles post reminded me of this) whenever the FIA are involved.
No wonder people are going off the sport.
Such a shame.
 
To be honest the FIA won't punish Merc too bad necause they are not only a major name but one of the few engine suppliers.

I say massive fine.
 
Although the precedent has been set with McLaren so I wouldn't be surprised if they lost their constructors points for the season as well.
 
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I predict 2 punishments being meted out

1. Mercedes will have a 2 race ban, starting immediately. This will negate any testing advantage and mete out a punishment
2. Pirelli will be instructed that, provided they get the new contract for 2014, that they will not be allowed to use any of the compounds, constructions tested by Mercedes....

Punishment 1, however, would cause a riot at the British and German GPs, so there would also be an appeal!
 
I can't see them imposing a ban, as you've said The Artist..... it would be suicide from a fan/sponsor perspective and given the FIA seem to only be interested in gimmicking up the sport to attract these two audiences, it seems unlikely.

Constructors points or heavy fine maybe.

What a bunch of tits.
 
I wonder if any kind of guilty verdict on the serious 'cheating' charge would make Mercedes pack up. It wasn't long ago the rumours were they were 50/50 on pulling out as a team. Just the fact that they've been found guilty of cheating might be enough - large fine, any ban, removal of points could push them over the edge. A lesser charge of not following procedure but not to deliberately gain a sporting advantage seems more likely as a political solution amenable to everyone but Horner. I remember the feeling of resentment with McLarens treatment, any of that feeling in Germany and Merc will be off and so will their engines.

Similarly for Pirelli, although the charge of cheating is less for them as they're not a competitor so can't really cheat. They're approach yesterday did feel very ballsy and not exactly one of looking out for future relationships. Unless Bernie has a tyre supplier lined up for next year (and most major players have said no already, but no can turn to yes I suppose) the prospect of Pirelli taking their ball and walking away must surely limit potential. This late in the game it would surely mess up the 2014 season. Any heavy sanction on Pirelli will a) make them inclined to walk and b) almost certainly be overturned at a proper court.

Once all the dust settles I think its the FIA that will come out looking stupid, Pirelli amateurish and Mercedes sheepish for being caught stretching reality a bit too far. What happened with Ferrari (if they did test components, and thats a big IF) could run and run and provide more amunition for those that say the FIA is way too close to Ferrari still. There are a lot of questions for both Ferrari and the FIA to answer if half of what Merc have suggested is true about their test and if that knowledge was available to the FIA then not sending Ferrari to the IT, where they could have just been let off, suggests they were being protected before the 'independent' panel got involved.

If Merc are found guilty but the spotlight doesn't get put on Ferrari then that will build exactly the kind of resentment around Merc and in Germany that will make them pull out.

No way the FIA will throw Ferrari in the fire, can't afford to lose Mercedes, (without a replacement lined up) can't afford to lose Pirelli for next year. This needs a very political verdict. Rule clarification and small fines for administrative errors, categorically not cheating. It will be worth it just to see Horner fuming!
 
I didn't see any mention of Ferrari running test parts until yesterday when Mercedes went trawling in an attempt to muddy the waters.

At the end of 2011 Ferrari said that they were designing a radically new car. One of the major changes was the type of suspension that they used, this is vital as to how the tyres are handled. Does this tie in with the Mercedes assertion that 2013 the car is not far enough away from the 2011 one? Personally I doubt that Mercedes knew what Ferrari did or did not do at the test, they are just thrashing about.
 
Whilst its certainly right that its a case of Mercedes trying to divert attention in any way they can, it does have merit - not least because of peoples belief / assumption that the FIA looks after Ferrari.

There are some things that are now known which just can't seem to be ok - that a test was run by one team at a track just 1 week before the Grand Prix at the same track. Which ever way you cut it that in itself just isn't right.

There are some things brought to light that are seemingly true if not confirmed - that Ferrari went over the 1000 km of testing, that Massa was driving.

There are other allegations that are just that - the testing of parts, the use of some of the test for their own benefit.

But add in to that that it was again secret, that other teams hadn't been made aware, that the authorisation appears to be the same as was deemed insufficient for Mercedes and then that the FIA deemed this all to be OK and not worthy of going to the IT.Many of the charges being levelled at Mercedes - use of their F1 drivers etc are largely the same. Irrespective of context in terms of the car used, if testing with Massa is OK then testing with Nico or Lewis is OK. If its impossible for Mercedes not to gain knowledge, as the FIA QC put it, then its impossible for Ferrari not to gain knowledge testing at a GP track one week in advance of the GP even without testing parts. With testing parts and that becomes an open and shut case.

Whilst they might be thrashing about, it very clearly lays a massive trap at the FIAs door - throw the book at us and you're opening a massive can of worms with regard to Ferrari. Its a challenge to jean Todt, are you willing to risk that?
 
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