Alonso's next team mate SPECULATIONOMETER
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Il_leone
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teabagyokel
the difference was he had a great team behind him and probably the best drilled Ferrari team given their history of internal warfare and was able to make up improvements and developments
If Alonso had the Ferrari set up that Schumacher had with two test drivers and unlimited testing.. no doubt they could claw a lot more back on Red Bull and overcome their problems with duffed readings from wind tunnels
the difference was he had a great team behind him and probably the best drilled Ferrari team given their history of internal warfare and was able to make up improvements and developments
If Alonso had the Ferrari set up that Schumacher had with two test drivers and unlimited testing.. no doubt they could claw a lot more back on Red Bull and overcome their problems with duffed readings from wind tunnels
It's was the same playing field for everyone back then just as it is now, RedBull don't get anymore testing time than Ferrari do and I reckon they both have similar budgets to work with.....
His relationship with Ferrari is slowly being eroded and getting close to the point of no return. I won't be surprised if they replaced Nando rather than Felipe who is still a very likeable character within the Ferrari garage.
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If Raikkonen does replace Massa, then Rob Smedley's job is going to change somewhat...
Quick and has a contract but he is not bigger than the team. It also looks like Ferrari have been briefing the media recently that they don't think Alonsp has been getting the best out of the car in qualifying.
What makes you think that? They did it to Prost, who was a much better driver than FA!
The team you refer to developed around Schumacher, and the key members of the team followed Schumacher to the team, not vice-versa. Ferrari also hadn't won anything in a long time when MS arrived, whereas FA is on a Ferrari team with a very recent record of domination. So FA had some very distinct advantages over MS's situation when he arrived at Maranello. How much of the team's seeming decline can be attributed to team management and how much to FA is purely conjectural, but I haven't seen Alonso attracting the talented type of folk that followed Schuey to the Prancing Horse.
I suspect that, if he isn't more circumspect in his comments in the future, his next teammate will be Chilton, when they are paired at Marussia.
siffert_fan - Or Ricciardo, after his sabbatical. 
If Alonso enjoyed the sort of monopoly Schumi had, I'm sure Ferrari would've caught up with Redbull and delivered a few titles by now. The relationship does look a bit strained and it will probably cost Ferrari a lot less to kick him out than retain Felipe because of Santander's involvement.
Il_leone
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siffert_fan
the difference between the Ferrari team Schumacher had in the past and the one Alonso has is politically Jean Todt as team principal managed to handle that side better than Stefano Domenicali
Jean Todt did what he thought was best for the racing team and Michael Schumacher in particular even if he meant he disagreed with Luca even if it meant employing non italian personnel
Domenicali will not stand up to Luca over choices of personnel
Apart from previously mentioned about various factors that led to Schumacher's domination with Brawn, Stepney, Bridgestone , political favouritism inside and outside, unlimited testing , more spending.
The one problem Ferrari seem to have around their car is their wind tunnel which is out of date over the last few years and very poor by modern standards... this was never a real problem in Schumacher days because they could simply try a lot of things with unlimited testing and get the feedback from two test drivers and the No 2 driver
the difference between the Ferrari team Schumacher had in the past and the one Alonso has is politically Jean Todt as team principal managed to handle that side better than Stefano Domenicali
Jean Todt did what he thought was best for the racing team and Michael Schumacher in particular even if he meant he disagreed with Luca even if it meant employing non italian personnel
Domenicali will not stand up to Luca over choices of personnel
Apart from previously mentioned about various factors that led to Schumacher's domination with Brawn, Stepney, Bridgestone , political favouritism inside and outside, unlimited testing , more spending.
The one problem Ferrari seem to have around their car is their wind tunnel which is out of date over the last few years and very poor by modern standards... this was never a real problem in Schumacher days because they could simply try a lot of things with unlimited testing and get the feedback from two test drivers and the No 2 driver
Il-Leone,
Ferrari have always been subject to the same testing restrictions as every other team. In Schumacher's time McLaren, Red Bull, and Williams had, at various times, budgets in the same ballpark as Ferrari. It is highly likely that Ferrari still have the biggest budget in F1, yet they aren't dominating, so budget alone is not decisive.
People keep claiming, as you put it, "political favouritism" , usually regarding the FIA and NEVER provide any supporting evidence. Until such evidence is forthcoming, all such claims can be dismissed as rubbish. Following such logic would lead to the conclusion that today, with Todt being head of the FIA, it is Ferrari that should be reaping the benefits of having their former team boss in power, yet people are now claiming that Red Bull is clearly be favoured.
Since Ferrari,in all likelihood, has the biggest budget in Formula One, it stands to reason that, if their wind tunnel were as deficient as has been claimed, they would have corrected it long ago.
IMO,it is all merely grousing that the team and/or driver of their preference isn't doing the winning.
Ferrari have always been subject to the same testing restrictions as every other team. In Schumacher's time McLaren, Red Bull, and Williams had, at various times, budgets in the same ballpark as Ferrari. It is highly likely that Ferrari still have the biggest budget in F1, yet they aren't dominating, so budget alone is not decisive.
People keep claiming, as you put it, "political favouritism" , usually regarding the FIA and NEVER provide any supporting evidence. Until such evidence is forthcoming, all such claims can be dismissed as rubbish. Following such logic would lead to the conclusion that today, with Todt being head of the FIA, it is Ferrari that should be reaping the benefits of having their former team boss in power, yet people are now claiming that Red Bull is clearly be favoured.
Since Ferrari,in all likelihood, has the biggest budget in Formula One, it stands to reason that, if their wind tunnel were as deficient as has been claimed, they would have corrected it long ago.
IMO,it is all merely grousing that the team and/or driver of their preference isn't doing the winning.
Il_leone
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siffert_fan
Its easy to mask over wind tunnel issues when you're winning all the time and you've got other avenues to explore the car capability with extra testing and two test drivers to gain feedback from
Difference Ferrari have is they own Fiorano track so they can do testing whenever they like unlike all other teams who have to wait for circuit owners to free up dates for testing
No other team own a race track
Red Bull have the biggest budget in F1 because they are not bound to FOTA because no one believes they are spending within resource restriction agreement
Ferrari favouritism
- when FOTa were ganging up against Max . His tactic was to say Ferrari get special treatment because they are entitled to $50m a year for just being in F1 which was arranged between Todt/ Mosley and Ecclestone behind the back of all the other manufacturer's teams
the response from FOTA led by Whitmarsh was " Yeah we've known that "
2005 season when the subject of cost cutting came up - all the other teams suggested we've got a list of proposals for cost cutting to the FIA the only one team who did not agree to it because they were left out were Ferrari managed by Todt
Whilst everyone else agreed to voluntarily cost saving with restricted testing , Ferrari just carried on
If you want a debate about Ferrari -FIA conspiracies then please post on Ferrari thread even Max or Bernie has mentioned about special relationship with Ferrari
Its easy to mask over wind tunnel issues when you're winning all the time and you've got other avenues to explore the car capability with extra testing and two test drivers to gain feedback from
Difference Ferrari have is they own Fiorano track so they can do testing whenever they like unlike all other teams who have to wait for circuit owners to free up dates for testing
No other team own a race track
Red Bull have the biggest budget in F1 because they are not bound to FOTA because no one believes they are spending within resource restriction agreement
Ferrari favouritism
- when FOTa were ganging up against Max . His tactic was to say Ferrari get special treatment because they are entitled to $50m a year for just being in F1 which was arranged between Todt/ Mosley and Ecclestone behind the back of all the other manufacturer's teams
the response from FOTA led by Whitmarsh was " Yeah we've known that "
2005 season when the subject of cost cutting came up - all the other teams suggested we've got a list of proposals for cost cutting to the FIA the only one team who did not agree to it because they were left out were Ferrari managed by Todt
Whilst everyone else agreed to voluntarily cost saving with restricted testing , Ferrari just carried on
If you want a debate about Ferrari -FIA conspiracies then please post on Ferrari thread even Max or Bernie has mentioned about special relationship with Ferrari
Il-leone:
Fiorano has been owned by Ferrari since 1972. Ecclestone is still around and Todt is now in charge of the FIA so presumably the "special relationship"remains intact to this day. Yet no WDCs since Kimi's! Nor were there any WDCs from Scheckter's in 1979 until Schuey's first for the team. If these examples of favouritism were so decisive for Schuey, why are they not for Alonso?
How do you know Red Bull has the biggest budget? Have you seen documentary evidence, or is this just rumor/conjecture/ speculation("no one believes"!!)? If the former, please provide it.
Fiorano has been owned by Ferrari since 1972. Ecclestone is still around and Todt is now in charge of the FIA so presumably the "special relationship"remains intact to this day. Yet no WDCs since Kimi's! Nor were there any WDCs from Scheckter's in 1979 until Schuey's first for the team. If these examples of favouritism were so decisive for Schuey, why are they not for Alonso?
How do you know Red Bull has the biggest budget? Have you seen documentary evidence, or is this just rumor/conjecture/ speculation("no one believes"!!)? If the former, please provide it.
Anyway I think Alonso's next teammate will be Pudsey Bear...
rufus_mcdufus
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Judging by tweets from the likes of Martin Brundle and Adam Cooper this morning it looks like Kimi really is going back to Ferrari... For instance:
Adam Cooper @adamcooperf1
I'm told that Kimi Raikkonen really is going back to Ferrari. Story is Hulk was on pole around Budapest time, but team changed its mind
And in addition:
Adam Cooper @adamcooperf1
It seems @alo_oficial was happier with the original plan, which may explain recent tensions in the camp
Adam Cooper @adamcooperf1
I'm told that Kimi Raikkonen really is going back to Ferrari. Story is Hulk was on pole around Budapest time, but team changed its mind
And in addition:
Adam Cooper @adamcooperf1
It seems @alo_oficial was happier with the original plan, which may explain recent tensions in the camp
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