Grand Prix 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Martin Brundle, for many years, didn't attend the Hungarian Grand Prix. Why was this I hear you ask, and even if you didn't I'm going to tell you!

Hungary was, for many years, a Communist state aligned with the Warsaw Pact and staunch supporter of the Soviet Union. In 1956 the people of Hungary got a bit naffed off with making shoes in one factory and then sending them next door for them to be taken apart, or spending a week digging ditches, and then spending the next week filling them in again, but hey the Polit Bureau had targets to meet. Anyway, I digress in to the detail of the pointlessness of Communist, centralised dictat and it's affect on the proletariat, back to 1956.

Students marched through Budapest to object to Communist rule. They started in Buda and finished in Pest, although it might have been the other way round. Now the Russians weren't all that well disposed to the Hungarians anyway as they sided with the Germans in WW2 and helped in the invasion of the Motherland. And they really took umbridge at this bunch of upstarts objecting to having a dictator imposed on them from Moscow, so between the Russians and Hungarian Communists it was decided that these student should be made to be quiet.

We used to have such student protest here in the UK but they now spend so much time depressed and worrying about the huge debts they are racking up by going to University they don't have the energy to moan about anything other than the price of a Mojito or Porn Star Martini in the student union bar.

I'm wandering again.

Rather than pop outside their offices and ask the students politely if they would mind buggering off home as it was a bit noisy and no one else seemed to really care, and even if they did they knew better as they would be whisked off to a gulag and have electrodes attached to their testicles, the powers that be decided to go all Tiananmen Square on the protesters before the Chinese had even thought of it. There's nothing new under the sun I tells ya!

The tanks went in and battles between the Soviet forces and Hungarian militia raged. This, presumably, was seen as a reasonable alternative to sitting down with the protesters, discussing their issues and seeing how the lives of ordinary people could be improved to the point where they didn't want to grab a gun and shoot all and any members of the Communist Party.

I'm sure you are wondering what all this has to do with Martin Brundle. Well back then he wasn't good old, grid walking Martin Brundle of which ever TV channel had just parted with a Kings ransom to show the meagre fare that is modern Formula One. Oh no, back then he was Martinov Brundelski, ice cream maker and frozen dessert entrepreneur. During the uprising, which was over the summer , Martinov sensed an opportunity to make a dime, or rouble, or whatever currency the Hungarian were using.

He packed up his Ice Cream van with his latest creations; acorn surprise, crab apple sorbet, plantain and pampas grass lollies, and the ever popular cows udders delight, and headed off to the big city to make his fortune. When he arrived it was a bit trickier than he had anticipated as he had to weave between T34 tanks, armoured personnel carriers and various howitzers, all the time with "Do you wanna be my lover" tinkling out from the vans bells to call the hot, hungry and thirsty revolutionaries to partake of his wares.

His ability to dart between tanks, avoid howitzer shells and still get two scoops of potato mash ice cream in to a cone for a burly fighter did not go unnoticed. Lurking in the dark recesses of the Polit Bureau offices was Bernardoff Ecclestonev, at that time just in the early stages of his meglomania, and he spotted that whoever this young man was he had a future as a racing driver.

Ecclestonev tracked the young Brundelski down and smuggled him over to Kings Lynn. There Martinov Brundelski changed his name to Martin Brundle, and to make his integration in to the local Community more legitimate brought his sister with him and married her shortly after arrival.

Since that day Martin Brundle, or Martinov Brundelski, has been unable to travel to Hungary for fear of having his nads liberated from the rest of his body by any of those who purchased some of his frozen desserts during the long, hot summer of 1956.

Enjoy the Grand Prix.

Some aspect of this story may have been fabricated for comic effect. This is not meant, in any way, to trivialise the death and suffering of those who lost their lives during the Hungarian uprising.
 
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The Artist.....

Champion Elect
Did Seb get punished for his Rainbow T-shirt?
I believe that he was fined (and later excluded from the race, oh sorry, that was just because he didn't have enough fuel to sample).

I would not be surprised to see Vettel reinstated in the Hungary results, but with Aston Martin not scoring. The precedent for this was set as far back as 1995, when Coulthard was thrown out of the Brazilian Grand Prix for running fuel that did not match the fingerprint submitted to the FIA. (The reason was that Elf had initially made a small sample of fuel to get approved by the FIA, it was later approved, and so they made a large batch, but couldn't get the fingerprint to match exactly).

Coulthard was reinstated to the points, but Williams didn't score constructors points.

Edit - in the 26 years that have passed since then, I completely forgot that Schumacher was also disqualified from the race...
 
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cider_and_toast

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They've no chance of winning the appeal.

They needed to supply 1 litre of fuel, not a car with 1.3 litres in it and a note saying "you want it, you get it"
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
ASTON Martin have discovered new evidence to show they had enough fuel in the car. The issue is technicality does it matter what the readings say if its not possible to extract 1 litre of fuel. You have to blame Aston Martin for using faulty equipment
 

Brogan

Legend
Staff Member
The issue is the shape of the fuel bladders - they are extremely complex, designed to fit in tiny spaces between other components.
This results in little wells and high points.

The design calls for an FIA mandated device from which the fuel can be extracted - the FIA were not able to get the required amount of fuel using the regulation device, but AM are claiming that if they just pick the car up and shake it about a bit, the fuel in the small wells in other places in the bladder will make its way over to the collection point.
 

FB

Not my cup of cake
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This story mentions something called a "lift pump", which if replaced would allow the fuel sample to be collected. Apparently the FIA have the car locked up in their facility in France.


At least their significant new evidence didn't require Nico Hulkenberg to run a full race distance around the Hungaroring!
 

The Artist.....

Champion Elect
The lift pump is what basically pumps the fuel out of the tank. Given that that failed, it’s not surprising that they couldn’t get enough fuel out…

I think that this is an appeal they should be able to win.
 

cider_and_toast

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I feel for them, I really do and I'd love to see Seb get his 2nd place back. He drove well all race.

That said, he quite obviously ran the engine rich to try and maximise his chances of overtaking and ran out of fuel.

Everyone else was able to provide the required samples.

The other issue is one of the FIAs least favourite words "precedent". The FIA hate creating them and love ignoring them. If they do end up having to turn the Aston upside down and give it a shake every team on the grid will expect the same.
 

The Artist.....

Champion Elect
cider_and_toast - given that Aston Martin have said that if they replaced the lift-pump they could get the fuel out, the FIA should let them do that...

After all, currently "broken parts" can be replaced in parc-ferme between the qualifying and the race... If I was a team, needing a result in qualifying, I'd design a deliberately illegal part for qualifying, crash and destroy that part, and replace the part with an "Identical" part...
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
The other note that came out of the race was Horner asking Toto that Mercedes should pay the repair bills caused by Bottas... I think its bull💩 that is the day no one will dare go wheel to wheel in case they are worried about paying for damages.

If drivers are that bad then dont hire them...its ironic as being one of the big spenders they are worried about the budget cuts next year.
 

Dartman

Pole Sitter
It could be said that if Max was not so intent in catching Lewis he may have noticed the mayhem alongside of him and taken avoiding action :whistle:
We had a circuit in Scotland some 40 years ago that charged you for repairing the crash barriers if you hit one, fortunately that rule didn't catch on elsewhere.
 

cider_and_toast

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Helmet Marko - "Christian, after your spat with Mercedes post Silverstone I don't think it's possible for you to look a bigger dick"

Bottas wipes 4 cars out

Horner - "Hold my beer......"
 
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