Grand Prix 2019 Hungarian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

RasputinLives

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good point but F1 has moved on from the mid 00s of the number 1 drivers & number 2 drivers.
It really hasn't. When did Hamilton hit this incredible form? When he got a number 2 team mate. When did Verstappen transform from a really quick driver to a consistently good driver? When he got a number 2 driver. When did Ferrari go from front runners to third places? When they got two drivers on equal footing.

Sorry chap but number 1s and 2s are how F1 works.
 
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cider_and_toast

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Indeed so.

And I think one of the biggest image issues in F1 over the last decade is this denial from team bosses that this situation doesn't exist when we all know it does.

Cough Toto cough

If they just fessed up and said "he's our number one driver, and he's number two" then things like team orders would never have been such a problem.
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
It really hasn't. When did Hamilton hit this incredible form? When he got a number 2 team mate. When did Verstappen transform from a really quick driver to a consistently good driver? When he got a number 2 driver. When did Ferrari go from front runners to third places? When they got two drivers on equal footing.

Sorry chap but number 1s and 2s are how F1 works.
we might have number 1 & 2s but in september when it makes sense & it settled on the track now on performance back when in era i was talking about you knew in February that no matter how good a season Irvine or Barrichello had. they were forbidden for challenging for the title. i remember on F1 legends program that even Irvine feels his title challenge in 1999 was potienally sabotages internally because Ferrari didnt like the idea that he not Schumacher would be 1st ferrari champion for 20yrs

or that alonso would be number 1 over trulli/fisichella. or 97 Villenueve would be number 1 over frenzten. now if Bottas was decent like Rosberg he would be given every opportunity
 
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RasputinLives

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Well firstly Eddie Irvine is full of bullpoo and secondly if it came down to a three way fight between Hamilton, Bottas and a none Merc driver then he would be shuffled out the way in the exact same way those others you listed were. It's the nature of F1. Team mates are only allowed to fight for the title when the team are so far in front that it doesn't matter.....and even then they got told not too!

As much as the press like to talk about it and Toto likes to talk in the media about it all, Bottas is actually doing the exact job Merc need him to do and the exact job Red Bull wish Gasly was doing for them.
 

Dartman

Points Scorer
Bottas and Gasly are not doing quite the job they should, the object is to appear to challenge the no1 but really covering their a:censored:ses:whistle:
 

Jimbob

Learner
good point but F1 has moved on from the mid 00s of the number 1 drivers & number 2 drivers. whether it is public pressure or doubling your chances but ferrari gone with Leclerc & Vettel, Red Bull had Ricardio & Verstappen. Mercedes had Hamilton & Rosberg they want 2 drivers & if 1 cant challenge for title then its pressure will mount for someone who can
Teams also know that "doubling your chances" can sometimes lead to expensive consequences. I'm thinking of Hamilton and Rosberg most recently, Hamilton/Alonso at McLaren and Senna/Prost. On the other hand, Schumacher/Barrichello was a pretty successful partnership and I believe Hamiltion/Bottas is similar.
 

vintly

Mostly bacon
Premium Contributor
Great post again olegg -from the headline I thought ‘economical on fuel?’, but it was much more interesting than that!
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
love this chart, something ive never really thought of

That is probably a chart that Gasly does not want to be leading.
more pressure on gasly :D

although when you take testing out of equesion then he goes 5th on 1.25m at least
 
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Ruslan

Points Scorer
he hasn't, he has been replaced by Albon, Gasly is back to STR
Well, good for Albon....shame for Kvyat, who really deserved it (the only driver besides the big 5 this season who has a podium).

At least Gasly will have a chance to work on his race pace at STR and see if it was a temporary issue.
 
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