Grand Prix 2012 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

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At one stage of this season it looked like we could have had a Championship battle as close as 2010 if not closer, but after Sebastian Vettel's 4th victory in a row, it appears that he has a third title in three years in the bag. A determined second from Alonso limited the damage, but he has to finish ahead of Vettel at almost all the remaining races to take his own third championship, and at this moment in time, that appears very difficult with the pace of the Red Bull.

Despite the hype, India once again delivered an underwhelming race with Vettel taking his second win at the track and at a canter as he was rarely troubled throughout the race, only late troubles with the 'tea-tray' threatened to derail his victory but this was but a minor bump on the road and from looking a distant contender after an alternator failure at Monza but since then he's taken 100 points from 100 available to completely change the face of the Championship, it feels like 2011 all over again.

It shows how quickly F1 can change that until lap 23 in Singapore, it seemed like McLaren would take their 4th win in 4 races and that Hamilton would close the gap to Alonso and increase his chances of a second world title. But a gearbox failure and suspension problems (and astroturf) in Japan and Korea evaporated any chances he has and he looks forward to a fresh start at Mercedes next year. From having the quickest car at that point, it seems that McLaren were unable to stop the Red Bull onslaught that has pretty much wrapped the championship up in one sharp autumn burst, the only thing that can stop it is if Red Bull's reliability problems rear it's head again and I feel that this is Alonso's best chance of overhauling Vettel's ever increasing lead.

But Abu Dhabi is a track where Red Bull have been strong at, Vettel won in 2009 and 2010, and qualified on pole in 2011 but a first lap puncture prevented him from probably making that three wins in a row, however he might not have won in 2009 where Hamilton had to retire from the lead with brake problems. McLaren themselves have been strong here in the past with both Hamilton and Button on the podium for them in 2010 and 2011 (Button has been third every single year at the track as he finished there in 2009 for Brawn). But their championship hopes, both in the WDC and the WCC are over after a poor last 4 races which took them out of contention.

However, if 2012 has shown us anything, it's that nothing is certain. After Germany it seemed that nothing was going to stop Alonso from taking a third world championship and for various reasons, his formidable lead has been wiped out. The updates Ferrari made for recent races has ensured that he can fight for the podium, but he'll need extra if he is to take the title, whether Ferrari can do that or not remains to be seen, but after the mistakes of 2010 where they lost the title, they will not want to see another title slip through their grasp, another failure will not look good on Domenecali, and it is very probable that Luca de Montezemelo would see it as a failure if Alonso doesn't win the championship this year.

Abu Dhabi circuit write up - http://cliptheapex.com/pages/yas-marina-circuit/
 
Brogan - you don't happen to know which drivers previously this season have started from the pitlane? Don't worry about it if it isn't available to hand.
 
Chinese GP - Jean-Éric Vergne (made changes to car set up)
Hungarian GP - Michael Schumacher (stopped in wrong grid slot, start aborted, switched off engine by mistake)
 
Brogan.....Thanks for all the information you feed us. All things considered, starting from pit lane, although self imposed considering the original penalty put him off grid 24, is like a double penalty. Had he started off grid 24 he would almost certainly have made up three or four places by the time they reached turn one. As it stands now he probably won't reach the tail of the field until turn three at best.
 
Thanks. So in Shanghai, at the end of the first lap Vergne was right on the tail of the field, suggesting to me that he doesn't necessarily have to wait for everyone to clear the end of the pitlane exit, just the pitlane itself. Although the Shanghai pitlane exit is much more conventional than the Abu Dhabi one.
 
Hmmm, that's interesting Galahad.
I guess we'll get the definitive answer in a while, assuming of course the director shows where the end of the tail is when Vettel is released.

Regarding "non-penalties", Charles Pic qualified 24th at the British GP but then changed his gearbox and was given a five place grid drop penalty. Of course he still started 24th.
 
I have now changed my position on the reasoning for force majeure being accepted, based on this blog: http://adamcooperf1.com/2012/11/04/why-the-fia-stewards-accepted-vettels-force-majeure/

The Renault engineers had spotted dropping fuel pressure and, according to sources, the message to stop was passed to Vettel’s engineer after some 15 seconds.

After hearing the argument and seeing the data the stewards accepted as force majeure that the drop in fuel pressure could have caused problems as the last dregs of fuel went through the system.


Surely the primary reason for the drop in pressure and possible damage to the engine is due to under-fuelling?
Therefore the force majeure can't be claimed as it was Red Bull's own doing.

Horner, Newey, et al are certainly very good at getting the stewards on their side, this isn't the first time they have successfully explained something away which would normally attract a penalty.
 
It'll be interesting to see a Red Bull geared for overtaking. Hopefully Seb can give us some good battles coming through the field.

This race comes with unlimited possibilities now. :snacks::popcorn::tea::dizzy::twisted:
 
If the car been under fueled would Vettel have been disqualified or have had his times excluded from qualie (sorry if this has been answered)? If his times would have been wiped then the net result would have been the same wouldn't it?
 
According to rule 23 in the Sporting Regulations the section between the first safety car line and the pit lane is the pit entry lane and the section between the other end of the pit lane and the second safety car line is the pit exit. This means that the pit lane itself is only the area where the garages are plus a little bit. The traffic lights are at the end of the pit lane, Vettel will not be allowed to exit the pit lane until the traffic light goes green.

Now this also brings up an intriguing factor. I cannot find where in the regulations it comes but it seems to be the case that the light does not go green until the last car has passed the end of the pit lane. Suppose that Massa for example were to have a problem at the start, get away very slowly and not clear the pit lane until after the end of the first lap what would happen?
 
I did say "for example". I just picked out a second driver at random, maybe I should have been more careful.:whistle: Would it be better if I replaced "Massa" with Webber"?:)
 
I have now changed my position on the reasoning for force majeure being accepted, based on this blog: http://adamcooperf1.com/2012/11/04/why-the-fia-stewards-accepted-vettels-force-majeure/

Surely the primary reason for the drop in pressure and possible damage to the engine is due to under-fuelling?
Therefore the force majeure can't be claimed as it was Red Bull's own doing.

Edit: I misunderstood. It may have been a leak or just a defective component leading to over-consumption of fuel. He may well have had the right amount of fuel but the drop in pressure may have led to more fuel than normal being consumed. Also 15seconds is a long time in F1 terms and it appears the message was just passed on too lateto avoid falling foul of the rules.
 
I think I'll just go with the most obvious answer based on the facts which have been presented to us Quintessentially, which is that Red Bull under fuelled the car.

Horner keeps claiming the fuel was in the car (so it's not an over consumption problem) but of course he would say that, wouldn't he.
 
But it's not like the Redbulls were struggling for pace? Webber finished second 3 tenths off Lewis and you'd expect Vettel to naturally go faster. He was good value for second at least based on Q1 and Q2. They were also ahead of their main competition Alonso who looked to be struggling so there was no need to resort to desperate measures like underfuelling. I don't see anything fishy here just like I didn't when Lewis took pole by a significant margin in China.
 
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