Jenson Button

Arguably the best ever driver in mixed conditions, all his wins at Mclaren have come in those conditions. His last race win in the dry came at the 2009 Turkish GP.

Button is known for his smooth driving style and is normally seen in must races doing one less stop than his rivals for tyres.

Buttons also know to be a bit of a practical joker and will take part in anything fun.

Since his debut in 2000 Button has won the majority of hearts in this country. But what is your favourite JB win?

Mine has to be Hungaroring 2006, in argubly a midfield team and he won the race in those mixed conditions to take his first win. I can remember James Allen been in tears almost and that was the first race Anthony Davidson ever commentated on.

 

[Slyboogy]

I mean it all rubbish anyway as neither of them are as good as Buemi.

I agree!!! Go moose!

 

[teabagyokel]

We've let this rumble on for a while, is there any chance of a little bit more respect shown on both sides before we are forced to take action?

 

[FB]

Last year in Australia and China he would have won the races in the Mercedes

Just another quick point, was nico not offered a drive at McLaren before Jenson? 08 or 09?

Ahh, opinion and hearsay, the meat and drink of internet discussions everywhere. Look at these picture and tell me what you see.

Now, I've checked everywhere (even in my sock draw) and I can't find a similar one of Nico Rosberg.

I've also looked for the one of Jenson achieving this same result in a Merc. Nuttin!

 

[Il_leone]

Same can be said for Jenson Button...

Alain Prost is a different mould they may have similarities, but no doubt is Prost the better out of the two of them.

Jenson would absolutely wipe the floor of Prost in the wet. Prost was an absolute amateur in the wet no matter if his car was superior or not

Just a word Prost actually texted Jenson on his awesome win in Canada this year

 

[Il_leone]

Rosberg started 4th in China, legitimately led the race at some point and finished 3rd some 8seconds behind Hamilton but more importantly ahead of Alonso who is no slouch. I find it hard to believe that Jenson would’ve won the race in the Mercedes.

Rosberg actually skidded off just before he was passed by Jenson in china last year and also lost 2nd place to Lewis although the safety car was the reason for bunching up the field when Jenson was leading by a big margin to the others

and I am saying that in Canada this year I think Jenson would have got the podium when Schumi got 4th

 

[Il_leone]

You could equally say that Jenson should have won in Monza 2010 but he got blitzed on his in and out lap by Alonso. Of, course, you will probably blame the pit-crew for the loss of that victory. There are many other examples where Jenson could have won but didn't. Only, however, whilst he was driving genuinely competitive machinery.

I am not sure how given he was absolutely on the limit for 35 laps with a damaged diffuser and every time he made a break the Ferrari's closed back up and his team somewhat telegraphed the message way too early. I think Jenson would have managed his tyres longer than Alonso and really the team should have told him only to come in when he came around the last sector for the pit stop on his in lap. Alonso had the fastest car all weekend

 

[Slyboogy]

Jenson would absolutely wipe the floor of Prost in the wet. Prost was an absolute amateur in the wet no matter if his car was superior or not

Just a word Prost actually texted Jenson on his awesome win in Canada this year

Actually Prost was good in the wet until he started backing off....and I thought Button was "awesome" at "changeable conditions" not in "wet" conditions...

 

[Il_leone]

Actually Prost was good in the wet until he started backing off....and I thought Button was "awesome" at "changeable conditions" not in "wet" conditions...

Senna absolutely made mincemeat of Prost in the wet

I am trying to remember the last time Prost won in the wet and can't think of any or changeable conditions

 

[teabagyokel]

Senna absolutely made mincemeat of Prost in the wet

I am trying to remember the last time Prost won in the wet and can't think of any or changeable conditions

1984 Monaco Grand Prix springs to mind immediately, but I from a check there is also San Marino and South Africa in 1993.

OK, for 51 wins its a poor return, and I know of the circumstances in 1984, but there are some...!

Also suggests Prost made mincemeat of Senna in the dry!

 

[Il_leone]

1984 Monaco Grand Prix springs to mind immediately, but I from a check there is also San Marino and South Africa in 1993.

OK, for 51 wins its a poor return, and I know of the circumstances in 1984, but there are some...!

Also suggests Prost made mincemeat of Senna in the dry!

Thankyou South Africa it rained a bit during the race and San Marino it started wet and then dried out

Occassionally his smooth style paid dividends in the dry..the two I remember in 1988 was Portugal and Spain when Senna experienced turbo and fuel consumption issues due to his aggressive style

In 1989 Senna won 6 races and 1 second place with the rest all retirements - some accidents and others mechanicla and 1 dq but it was rumoured he was using more powerful engines. Prost's consistency helped him to the title this time when it did not in 1988

 

[ExtremeNinja]

I am not sure how given he was absolutely on the limit for 35 laps with a damaged diffuser and every time he made a break the Ferrari's closed back up and his team somewhat telegraphed the message way too early. I think Jenson would have managed his tyres longer than Alonso and really the team should have told him only to come in when he came around the last sector for the pit stop on his in lap. Alonso had the fastest car all weekend

Actually, Lewis had the fastest car all weekend. Got caught up in qualifying and then we all know what happened next. Jenson genuinely had a chance of winning that race. The car differential was almost negligable though the Ferrari was certainly a match. A lesser driver in that Ferrari or a greater driver in the McLaren and we would have seen a different result.

All this is besides the point anyway. My point is that to compare Jenson and Nico and to make the point that Nico has had his chances is far less than fair on Nico. Nico has never driven a winning car or raced for a winning team whereas Jenson spent a year in a car which was ultra-dominant in the first half of the season and then the next two years (current included) in a McLaren and I don't think anyone would ever doubt McLaren are a top team who produce front running cars.

Jenson spent years without winning equipment and was then gifted a championship cert when it looked like he was out on his ear. Nico has not had that opportunity yet, and maybe he never will. I'm sure if he did get the opportunity in such a fashion that he would not waste it.

 

[Il_leone]

Actually, Lewis had the fastest car all weekend. Got caught up in qualifying and then we all know what happened next. Jenson genuinely had a chance of winning that race. The car differential was almost negligable though the Ferrari was certainly a match. A lesser driver in that Ferrari or a greater driver in the McLaren and we would have seen a different result.

All this is besides the point anyway. My point is that to compare Jenson and Nico and to make the point that Nico has had his chances is far less than fair on Nico. Nico has never driven a winning car or raced for a winning team whereas Jenson spent a year in a car which was ultra-dominant in the first half of the season and then the next two years (current included) in a McLaren and I don't think anyone would ever doubt McLaren are a top team who produce front running cars.

Jenson spent years without winning equipment and was then gifted a championship cert when it looked like he was out on his ear. Nico has not had that opportunity yet, and maybe he never will. I'm sure if he did get the opportunity in such a fashion that he would not waste it.

Lewis made a mess of qualifying not sticking the F Duct and compromised his race and Alonso was the next fastest driver and when he got pole he was in the zone and focused and not throwing toys out of the pram. Even Murray Walker thought Alonso had the race and there was nothing more Jenson could do

As for Nico I see signs of a frustrated young man who feels he deserves better ..the way Mercedes are doing things they are hurting his career like Honda did with Button. Nico's young enough to recover maybe ..his best hope could be if Webber falls out with Red Bull and a lifeline is thrown to him... Red Bull would be mad to promote Bueimi or Algarsuari against established drivers in Ferrari and Mclaren so there maybe a chance for Nico as he fits Red Bull's image

F1 is and has always been about being at the right place at the right time

 

[ExtremeNinja]

Lewis made a mess of qualifying not sticking the F Duct and compromised his race and Alonso was the next fastest driver and when he got pole he was in the zone and focused and not throwing toys out of the pram. Even Murray Walker thought Alonso had the race and there was nothing more Jenson could do

Wrong. Lewis was right not to run the F-Duct. Lewis was quicker without the F-Duct than Jenson was with it. However, if Jenson had followed Lewis and not run the F-Duct he would have been slower still. They are different drivers with different traits and styles and they both chose the setup that was right for them. I remember it all very clearly and traffic and timing was the reason for Lewis' relatively poor qualifying. He was in dirty air through the last sector on both his flying laps in both Q2 and Q3.

As for Nico I see signs of a frustrated young man who feels he deserves better.. the way Mercedes are doing things they are hurting his career like Honda did with Button. Nico's young enough to recover maybe ..his best hope could be if Webber falls out with Red Bull and a lifeline is thrown to him... Red Bull would be mad to promote Bueimi or Algarsuari against established drivers in Ferrari and Mclaren so there maybe a chance for Nico as he fits Red Bull's image

F1 is and has always been about being at the right place at the right time

Very true. And I really hope Nico gets his chance, much as I hoped the same for Jenson before it came to him. Remember, it did come to him, he didn't go and get it. What he did with it when it did come was great. Nico has not had the luxury to succeed or fail in this scenario, yet.

 

[Il_leone]

When Honda announced they quit ..it was a bolt out of the blue but I kept saying Jenson must stick with Ross through the crisis and I am glad to have enjoyed one of the greatest fairytales in F1

 

[Il_leone]

Rosberg finished over 8 seconds behind second placed Hamilton. All the evidence suggests the Mercedes didn't have the pace to keep up let alone stay ahead of the McLaren, whether he skidded off or not. If i remember correctly Hamilton jumped him in the pits.

Nico was leading the race on lap 19 as it were when he went off and was passed by Jenson on the long straight. When the safety car came out because of a loose wing he was a comfortable second. The safety car bunched everyone up before Lewis came back to the front and was second after the final pitstops jumping Rosberg who defended better than he did at Melbourne

 

[ExtremeNinja]

Ninja, I believe i said that nico has had chances, which he has. Maybe not in a car like jb had in 09, and I agree that he probably would have won. However, he was in a position to win twice before and did not take it, and the early 09 Williams was none too shabby, along with the Toyota, which should also have done better early on with the traditional top teams struggling.

To be fair, i think fb said it best.

You said he had his chances, but this is in relation to Jenson Button where you say Nico didn't have the same chance but would have made good on it if he had been given that chance. Giiven that this is the Jenson Button thread and the only way we can discuss Nico's chances here is in relation to the chances Jenson has had you have really nullified your own point.

All the rest belongs in the Nico thread as I pointed out earlier.

 

[Quintessentially]

Nico was leading the race on lap 19 as it were when he went off and was passed by Jenson on the long straight. When the safety car came out because of a loose wing he was a comfortable second. The safety car bunched everyone up before Lewis came back to the front and was second after the final pitstops jumping Rosberg who defended better than he did at Melbourne

What's your point? Under the circumstances, Rosberg almost certainly achieved the maximum possible. To say Jenson would've won the race has no basis whatsoever.

 

[Il_leone]

What's your point? Under the circumstances, Rosberg almost certainly achieved the maximum possible. To say Jenson would've won the race has no basis whatsoever.

Jenson is the superior driver in those conditions over anyone else . I am saying if Rosberg did not slip he might have thrown away a win because he was in front by about 4 seconds

 

[ExtremeNinja]

Jenson is the superior driver in those conditions over anyone else .

To say Jenson is superior and state it as fact, as you have, closes the door to opinion and interpretation and that's really not conducive to discussion and debate. You might as well write "FACT" at the end.

I am saying if Rosberg did not slip he might have thrown away a win because he was in front by about 4 seconds

We have seen many drivers leading Grand Prix races who were never realistically going to win it. Sometimes by more than 20 seconds, sometimes even by a lot more than that. Being 4 secs in front on lap 19 doesn't win you a race. You need the car to take you to the full distance after running all your remaining tyres in whatever condition they may be post-quali and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Oversimplification of evaluation in F1 just doesn't give you realistic or well formed conclusions. It's a very complex sport.

 

[Quintessentially]

Jenson is the superior driver in those conditions over anyone else . I am saying if Rosberg did not slip he might have thrown away a win because he was in front by about 4 seconds

You are moving the goal posts. You categorically said that Jenson would've won the race if he was in the Mercs but this flies in the face of available evidence with the McLaren proving to be sometimes up to half a second quicker than the Mercedes in the drying conditions. In fact Jenson and Hamilton also had off road moments during the race so Rosberg was not alone in this regard. What he needed at the time was car performance to keep up with the McLarens not tyre management or strategic calls, so tell us exactly where Jenson would've made the difference.If there ever was a time in recent months when a driver underperformed in wet to changing conditions in an undoubtedly superior car, look no further than Jenson in Korea.