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Brogan

🦶 Leg end
Staff member
I'm fairly sure they only used a / from 2002 to 2005:

McLaren MP4/17
McLaren MP4/17D
McLaren MP4/18
McLaren MP4/19
McLaren MP4/19B
McLaren MP4/20

At all other times they have used a - or nothing.
 

FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
On car numbers, do you remember how Tyrrell used to have a three figure number for their cars - 009 and 014 etc.? Motor Sport once asked Ken Tyrrell if he really thought he would ever get to use the first digit in anger which bought on a terrible huff from Uncle Ken! :D
 

teabagyokel

#dejavu
Valued Member
At least there is some sort of system regarding McLaren, although I eagerly await the MP5!!!

Ferrari have had (since 1996):

F310
F310B
F300
F399


Then sense came with

F1-2000
F2001
(what happened to the F1-?)
F2002
F2003-GA
F2004
F2004M
F2005


Then, oddly, they dumped the convention with the 248 F1 in 2006, before re-introducing it for the F2007 and F2008! This year they've gone to what most the other teams have done and marked their years in F1 with the F60!

Although, Toyota make themselves seem important by starting (in 2002) with the TF 102! Tyrrell, incidentally, got to 026 in 1998, before BAR took over. Other puzzling numbers include the Midland F1 16, from a team that lasted 1 year! The Super Aguri SA05 was in fact the Arrows A23, and never appeared in 2005 anyway! Plus 3 cars in 1998 decided to call their cars 198... sorry it would be 1998, I think, Jordan, Benneton and Minardi!
 

Galahad

Not a Moderator
Valued Member
The Ferrari 248 was so-called because it was the first year of the switch to 2.4 litre V8 engines. Previous Ferraris followed this template, e.g. the 312 series (312, 312B, 312B2, 312T, 312T2, 312T3, 312T4, 312T5 etc.) for 3-litre V12s. The F310 of 1996 followed the same "logic".

The Midland M16 was a continuation of the previous Jordan numbering scheme, which had got up to EJ15.

Many teams, including Benetton, Renault, Jordan, Minardi and Toyota use numbers based on the year of competition. Perhaps their inspiration was Max Mosley's old team March, who designated cars according to year and series, e.g. The March 701 was a 1970 F1 car; the March 702 was a 1970 F2 car etc...

And, in case anyone doesn't know, McLaren originally numbered their cars simply "M", ending with the M30 in 1980. When Marlboro organised for Ron Dennis to take over control in that year, the new designations reflected the merger between McLaren and his team - Project Four - hence MP4.
 

teabagyokel

#dejavu
Valued Member
My knowledge of cars per sé is pretty awful, and you've put shame on me again GM!

Anyway, you've answered a few questions. Personally, if I were a designer, I'd want to stick a load of random letters and numbers on it and see what magazines and the web made of them... you know eg.


TEAM: Teabag Yokel F1 Team
CAR: DM76


In case you're wondering my initials are not DM and I was not born in 1976! But then again that is my petty hatred of journos coming out again.

I thought Max Mosely named his cars eins, zwei, drei, vier, fünf,... (Too easy)!
 

Penske666

Rookie
The TF101 did exist - it was done as a testbed for Toyota a year before they entered F1, it was overweight and drove like a pig!
 

Galahad

Not a Moderator
Valued Member
Indeed so Penske - designed by Andre de Cortanze, who was also responsible for the gorgeous though ultimately unsuccessful Toyota GT-One sportscar.


When the limitations of his design became apparent they quickly snapped up ex-Minardi man Gustav Brunner from Ferrari, who did the TF102.
 

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bogaTYR

Points Scorer
Nice one GM. But I have to admit, I still don't know the official name of the Lotus JPS ;)

Another fun issue is the colour scheme of the cars. But I suppose that would be another thread...
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
Staff member
Premium Contributor
John Player Sponsorship was introduced in 1972 on the Lotus Type 72C or D. Before that the cars ran in the red, gold and white of Gold Leaf.

When the all new Lotus Type 76 was introduced in 1974 Colin Chapman tried to insist every one called it the Lotus John Player Special Mark 1.

The Type 76 was an absolute dog of a car and was quietly shelved after only a handful of races. It was one of the pig ugliest Lotus's ever made.

Lotus reverted to using the Type 72 for the remainder of the season and on into 1975 in the Type 72E version.

Lotus launched the new Type 77 for 1976 and again on some sponsorship stuff this car was known as the Lotus John Player Special Mark 2. The car was poor at first but slowly gained speed and won the final race of the season at Japan.

The 1977 season saw the introduction of the Lotus type 78 with the now famous ground effect wings. (The skirts were introduced the year before at some races on the type 77 all though they were fixed and consisted of nylon brushes on the side pods). The type 78 was also known as the John Player Special Mark 3. There are some early Tamiya models of the car that carry this designation on the box.

The type 79 was introduced in the early part of the 1978 season and was one of the most beautifal F1 cars ever made. Suprisingly the car only remained competative for the latter half of the 1978 season. There were some attempts to call this car the Mark 4 but it wasn't common. By the start of the 1979 season the type 79 was repainted in green and carried the Martini racing colours and any attempt to re-name the cars after the sponsors was dropped.

JPS didn't grace the Lotus as title sponsor until the 1982 season when the black and gold re-appeared and this lasted until the type 98 of 1986. The type 99 appeared in the garish yellow of the Camel brand.
 
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