Brogan but it wasn't the first time though was it, he had gone off at that corner before in the session I think (correct me if i am wrong) and got a warning. then when he did it again he got a lap stripped off him. I guess what i am trying to say is why isn't it ruthlessly applied regardless of circumstance in qualifying. Why are warnings given? This to me seems like such a clear cut rule.
Just make the tracks so they can’t put all 4 wheels outside the track without losing time! Either a two foot wide continuous gravel strip or grass round the entire circuit boundary or bolt down curbs where that cant be done, like Monaco and Singapore for example.
Even the drag strip where Vettel over took Button on at Germany could easily have been temporarily covered in gravel for the race eliminating the problem.
Yes, otherwise, why bother having a track? I can understand the safety aspect, and if a driver makes a mistake it is different to a driver using an extra large chunk of run off on the exit of a corner for more speed, which should see the time set being scrubbed.
I'll be honset and say that I don't see the difference The Pits as a driver gains an advantage in both situations. I think, unless another drivers forces them off the track, they should be penalised in both qualie and the race.
FB, in the race, I agree, as an advantage can be deemed as not losing a place etc, or not losing half your wheels on a wall, in terms of qualifying though, I was making the assumption that a mistake which leads to running wide is likely to cost time, and hence not matter anyway. That said, not using the track in a race is a little like scoring from behind the goal...
Should a qualifying lap in which all four tyres are off the race track be ignored?
No, it should not be ignored. It should be judged. Depending on where the car leaves the track time will be lost or gained. Standard practise in the past has been to erase the lap time of the lap on which the offense/mistake occured. Until the FIA tightened up the rule on off track excursions it was applied to specific corners on specific circuits - e.g. chicanes at Magny Cours and Monza, etc. The issue of exiting a corner and running wide was also not an issue in previous decades as it has been the replacement of gravel tracks with tarmac tun-off's that has created the problem.
With regard to Vettel running wide in qualifying, he used all of the circuit and more in order to carry more speed through the corner and have a faster entry onto the next "straight". That is, therefore, gaining a time advantage probably worth around 10th of a second. With this season being so close that might than have been the difference between him and the next guy on the grid. Intentional or otherwise is irrelevant since no driver is going to say "I meant to go that fast in the corner and knew I could run out wide and get away with it," is he?
The more space you give, the more they will run wide - nature of the sport. Whether it be quali or race, you either reduce the space or enforce the rules. I would go with space reduction as it is more obvious.