Current Sebastian Vettel

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
Malaysia was arrogance he thought he was above horner & defied management orders. & if that wasn't bad enough he then lied to everyones faces in china without a ounce of remorse
 

Bill Boddy

Professional layabout
Premium Contributor
Einstein said:

"Because I have been a success the German's say that I am a German and the French say that I am a Jew; had I been a failure the French would have said that I was a German and the Germans would have said that I was a Jew."
 

Izumi

Points Scorer
Malaysia was arrogance he thought he was above horner & defied management orders. ...
The incident and some background to that story was explained by Horner at later date, as he has understood and accepted what motivated Vettel. Fans, on the other hand, whilst will be for decades remembering only what they want to hear - one side of the story, very seldom if ever bring up, that it was actually payback by Vettel to Webber, because that one pulled similar stunt on Vettel in one of earlier races. That incident is hardly ever discussed.

Vettel's detractors of course aren't interested in causation. George Will, staunch conservative of Princeton ilk, likes to say about our times... it must be true, because people (here fans) saying so, and (especially) if they repeat it three time (then it is confirmed).
 
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F1Brits_90

Race Winner
The incident and some background to that story was explained by Horner at later date, as he has understood and accepted what motivated Vettel. Fans, on the other hand, whilst will be for decades remembering only what they want to hear - one side of the story, very seldom if ever bring up, that it was actually payback by Vettel to Webber, because that one pulled similar stunt on Vettel in one of earlier races.

Vettel's detractors of course aren't interested in causation. George Will, staunch conservative of Princeton ilk, likes to say about our times... it must be true, because people (here fans) saying so, and (especially) if they repeat it three time (then it is confirmed).
dont take it the wrong way. i couldnt give a toss on what vettel said after the event or how he tried to worm his way out of it. 2 wrongs don't make a right I assume that senna was right to ram prost of the road in 1990 because of what prost wrong doing in 1988. you could give Farage a run for his money for talking out of the rear end

The fact & is there in glorious technicolour. Red Bull said multi 21 don't overtake stay behind, he overtook webber. no amount of BS will avoid that fact

end of conversation :goodday:
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
Point 1 Vettel has never been beaten by his teammates argument . What is the caliber of Vettel's teammates compared to Hamilton's first of all to say Vettel's record is better. Apart from Ricciardo , Vettel has had rubbish teammates until faced with Le Clerc. Sorry but Webber is not as good as Button probably on the same level as Bottas. You're gonna say Rosberg got beaten by Webber but that Williams car was a dog and Rosberg was in his first season

Raikkonen- was 10 years past his best when they were teammates
 
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