Current Sebastian Vettel

Izumi

Banned
Thread is still going strong thanks to mostly people who are known to have really "soft spot" for Sebastian Vettel. River dance on Seb's head with some regularity must make you feel good about your own achievements. There cannot be any other explanation.
 

Izumi

Banned
More to the point, whether he felt that way during a race. Reflection in hindsight is not the same as mindset of a racer seeing his teammates being slow, unable to keep up. I do remember anyone asking Leclerc similar questions after Monza, so here we are back to double standrad.
 

RasputinLives

Leave me alone I'm on Smoko
Contributor
I have respect for him for admitting he is wrong. It's seems a modern trait in life now days to just shout at people that you're right until the give up or highlight everyone else's mistakes in hope it covers your own up. So props to him for coming out and saying it.
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
But


Its all well coming out and saying this but part of it is to not having to back Leclerc up for the championship which is now effectively over
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
(thought id move it to relevant place as mentioned prior)

Ruslan Grizzly

1st of all this is very weird for me to be defending vettel because i can be 1 of his harshest critics & ill be on base of his entire career he might scrape into top 10 f1 world champions. but i think he deserves more credit for that spell than he gets. i agree you can make a great case for kubica being the number 1 p4p in 2010 that Monaco GP front row was very special & a great case for Alonso being the number 1 p4p in 2012. for some how being in title contention in such a dreadful car in comparison. but in all 4 & 5 id you include 09. vettel would always be in top 2 p4p. i disagree about Webber being a poor driver he won le mans twice, in 09 very much equal & most 10 it was a tough battle. webber really shouldve won title in 2010. but that silly mistake in Korea than he never recovered. he went on to long 2011 2012 & 2013 were embarrassing in hindsight

you look at the stats for Vettel from 2010 - 2013
4 world titles
40 poles
34 wins
52 podiums

in the same way of lewis Hamilton. his sheer consistency from 26th sept 2010 - 18th mar 2012. he was on the podium in all bar 1 race that he saw the chequered flag, the only race he finished but wasnt on podium was his home GP in germany gutted

then after 2012 Spanish GP that Maldonado won, vettel wouldn't finish outside of top 5 until nearly 2 years later at Bahrain GP

2013 was almost his last great spell from 2013 monaco gp to 2014 Australian GP (Excluding DNFs) he was beaten once in nearly 9 months

it is unfortunate that for any number of reasons. blown diffuser hybrid maybe things have been on down since germany 2018. he cant get near that level because we all know from 2019. when we have 2 or 3 great drivers going at it F1 is far better
 

Ruslan

Podium Finisher
(thought id move it to relevant place as mentioned prior)

Ruslan Grizzly

you look at the stats for Vettel from 2010 - 2013
4 world titles
40 poles
34 wins
52 podiums
Yes, but that is not the stats I am looking at. What I am looking at a comparative performance compared to teammates....and how those teammates have compared to others.
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
Yes, but that is not the stats I am looking at. What I am looking at a comparative performance compared to teammates....and how those teammates have compared to others.
you cant judge drivers v drivers in different years in different cars, because there are so many factors. you cant judge Bottas & Rosberg in Mercedes. you can only judge them that year on its own
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
Right place, right time.

Just like button with Brawn (who also had the added bonus of the right brakes).
I agree with that & in all sport you need a lot of factors to go your way. over 19 races, you need to be in right car at the right time, in great form with good reliabilty
 

Ruslan

Podium Finisher
you cant judge drivers v drivers in different years in different cars, because there are so many factors. you cant judge Bottas & Rosberg in Mercedes. you can only judge them that year on its own
Maybe we are talking past each other here....what I am specifically referring to is that we can compare Hamilton to Alonso in the same year they were driving for the same team, same with Hamilton vs Button (for multiple years), Hamilton vs Rosberg ( for multiple years), etc.
 
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