Re: HRT spotted factory shopping in Cologne
Brogan said:
I've included the Saubers as the first Sauber in 1993 was Sauber engine and chassis.
The same applies to Veritas and Zakspeed.
Although I suspect in all cases the engines were re-badged?
From what i can tell the Sauber's were badged Mercedes engines probably built by Ilmor. Sauber had heavy funding from Mercedes and i believe the team was initially planning to come back (enter) as Mercedes but they (the board) decided against it as there was a bit of a crisis going on in Germany following reunification.
it all makes sense when you look at the slogan on side of the C12 entered in 93 which read "Concept by Mercedes Benz" & the following years C13 just read "Mercedes Benz" with an official Mercedes engine designation.
Veritas is a different kettle of fish all together. I can't find any record of them having entered as a team in any F1 Championship events but that doesn't mean to say they had in non-championship events or other formulas however, it is clear that they provided a full package as a contructor to individual drivers who then entered as themselves. It seems there were two basic types of cars (with variations) which were the Meteor and the RS with the later being a 2 seater that could be run in sports cars and F2. It's more than likely that the engines in both these were BMW's.
Zakspeed could well be a genuine case as i believe they did start out making thier own chassis and turbo engine before later switching to the Yamaha engine.
The one that i can think of that isn't on that list that will shock some and have others falling off their seats laughing in a moment of wumness involves that famous Italian red team, not only did they use anothers engine but chassis as well. In the mid 50's Lancia were struggling heavily and sold out to Fiat, in turn Fiat then promptly gave to Ferrari the Lancia D50 racing cars that went on to become during the 56 & 57 season's the Ferrari D50 (or Ferrari-Lancia D50) a further development of this being the 801 and also during 56 the Lancia engine may have also found its way into the 555.
All this would have been tinkered with and modified of course but at heart still a Lancia... i wonder if they had rusting problems back then
And it's drifted again
