Your quite right f1fan.There was indeed a "kerfuffle" as you so eloquently put.It was postponed exactly as you said it was.
Off Throttle Diffuser Ban is GO for Silverstone. So who will be on pole ?
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I think the most important line in that article is:
In essence, the Engine Blown Diffuser already broke article 3.15. So basically the enforcement of this ban was postponed until the "unintended consequences and complications" could be ironed out and the FIA didn't have to disqualify the majority of the grid in each F1 race!
In essence, the Engine Blown Diffuser already broke article 3.15. So basically the enforcement of this ban was postponed until the "unintended consequences and complications" could be ironed out and the FIA didn't have to disqualify the majority of the grid in each F1 race!
A fascinating development - interesting to hear Newey come out & say that Red Bull will be affected by the EDB ban after all (unless it's more Red Bull sandbagging, of course...) - though I suppose it'll depend on how badly all the other teams will be hamstrung too. I'm sure there are sleepless nights going on at McLaren at the moment...
So - seems to be a case of Red Bull giving you wings, before the FIA clips them...
So - seems to be a case of Red Bull giving you wings, before the FIA clips them...
The important thing is that the order of the cars has been claimed to aid and to punish almost every team towards the sharp end of the grid thus far!
Of course, if its wet, the results since 2007 suggest McLaren could have an advantage.
Of course, if its wet, the results since 2007 suggest McLaren could have an advantage.
Its important to remember that the blown diffuser is still operational.So as soon as the driver stamps on the throttle on the exit to a bend or under accelleration it will still work as usual.
The biggest effect will be when the cars are braking (not breaking as it usually misspelt) as then it will provide no extra downforce.
However it should be noted that the FIA have allowed the off throttle positions to match the engine revs or not fully closed.
The engine manufacturers had expressed concern that if the throttles closed to the "idle" position that would result in damage to the engine internals due to the very lean mixture that the engine would suffer.
The biggest effect will be when the cars are braking (not breaking as it usually misspelt) as then it will provide no extra downforce.
However it should be noted that the FIA have allowed the off throttle positions to match the engine revs or not fully closed.
The engine manufacturers had expressed concern that if the throttles closed to the "idle" position that would result in damage to the engine internals due to the very lean mixture that the engine would suffer.
Incubus
Champion Elect
I don't see Hamilton on pole at this track, but then again I don't see a Ferrari on pole either. I do think the Red Bull will have lost a not-inconsiderable performance advantage. And this is not a track the Mercedes will thrive on either.
I know I am necessarily wrong in at least one of these statements because well, somebody will have to be on pole eventually...
I know I am necessarily wrong in at least one of these statements because well, somebody will have to be on pole eventually...
Something has been bothering me about that story.I seem to recall that Newey made a very similair statement, indeed almost word for the same as that about six weeks ago.
I can't remember where I saw it or indeed find it.Anyone else remember something very similair.
Or is my imagination.I am old so it might be "senile dementia"
I honestly thought the same thing when I saw this article sportsman. But some quick google searches are not turning up anything. I might keep poking around though.
edit - this article appeared on June 27
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/52824.html
edit - this article appeared on June 27
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/52824.html
There may be a few links in the original thread discussing the ban: http://cliptheapex.com/threads/tech...be-restricted-or-not-as-the-case-may-be.2674/
Probably towards the end of the thread.
Probably towards the end of the thread.
Will Red Bull run the same rake and if they don't how will this affect the overall aerodynamics of the car?
Will McLaren's sidepods and Torro Rosso's double floor give them an advantage by directing more airflow to the diffuser therefor negating some of the loss from the EBD?
I know I keep asking these questions and I apologise for the repetition, but I haven't stopped asking myself. I guess soon we will know. Does anyone have an inkling?
Will McLaren's sidepods and Torro Rosso's double floor give them an advantage by directing more airflow to the diffuser therefor negating some of the loss from the EBD?
I know I keep asking these questions and I apologise for the repetition, but I haven't stopped asking myself. I guess soon we will know. Does anyone have an inkling?
I think this is to do with engine resistance off throttle, which is effectively engine braking. The two different throttle systems potentially produce or require different levels of throttle to produce the same amount of mechanical resistance. Putting a blanket figure on the throttle limit could inproportianately disadvantage a particular engine for braking. A mechanical disadvantage unrelated to the EBD aero advantage. Looking back to 2007 would provide benchmark figures for determining wether they could inadvertently be applying a double-disadvantage to a particular supplier and the teams that run thier engines.
Hard to say whether McLaren will have gained on RB because Silverstone is a circuit which inherently suits the RB7 as it is a circuit which demands a high level of downforce, therefore the margin may be the same in Britain but in Gernmany it may be a lot closer.
As for Torro Rosso who knows, do they even have a fully functioning EBD?
The team I expect to benefit most from this rule change is Williams, as I understand it they have had trouble getting their system working to the same level as most other teams, thus with it gone they might be faster relative to the competition.
As for Torro Rosso who knows, do they even have a fully functioning EBD?
The team I expect to benefit most from this rule change is Williams, as I understand it they have had trouble getting their system working to the same level as most other teams, thus with it gone they might be faster relative to the competition.
Josephiah
Podium Finisher
Well it looks like that, from the little evidence we have so far, McLaren have been the worse affected team. It's difficult to know for sure due to the changeable conditions but they were well off the pace yesterday.
I was just thinking back to pre-season testing and how bad it was looking for them - many were expecting a repeat of 2009 with McLaren starting off in the midfied. Now, what changed between pre-season testing and Melbourne - they introduecd a Red Bull style exhaust/blown diffuser layout.
Is it possible then that without the exhaust blown diffuser the MP4-26 is distinctly average?
I was just thinking back to pre-season testing and how bad it was looking for them - many were expecting a repeat of 2009 with McLaren starting off in the midfied. Now, what changed between pre-season testing and Melbourne - they introduecd a Red Bull style exhaust/blown diffuser layout.
Is it possible then that without the exhaust blown diffuser the MP4-26 is distinctly average?
landogeorgelewis1
Champion Elect
Holey Smokes, never even gave Webber a thought at getting pole position for this race, but was almost right in my prediction Vettel does start on the front row yet again. TBH if he's off the line before Webber today then i think he'll run and hide for the afternoon up front on his lonesome.
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