Grand Prix 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Who will be Champion

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F1Brits_90

Champion Elect
So here we go, after 21 rounds, 9 months, 1238 laps & 2 drivers with an iconic rivalry contesting 1 of the all time great F1 seasons. it all comes down to this race in Abu Dhabi. the 1st title decider featuring separate teams for 9 years when Vettel & Alonso fought it out in interlagos. more on that later. but i will start with the good news that the title decider will be free to air in both the Rivals home country as in UK Sky Sports have shared the rights with Channel 4 to show the biggest F1 race for 13 years & may even get close to the record peak 8m that watched in 2008. & Ziggo TV in Netherlands have opened their service free to air to show arguably the biggest day in Dutch Sport since 2010 world cup final



sunday's race time will tell whether the race will live up to the billing & where it will fit in pantheon of title deciders we have seen down the years in the 71yr history of this sport. it will be interesting to see how the pressure affects the 2 drivers because every sportsman is affect its how well they hide it. we all hope this is settled on track & not in huge controversial moment. you hear of mental toll it takes from numerous sportsman, Murray said serving for wimbledon it miracle he could serve as his hand was shaking so much. footballers who in penalty shootouts have talked about the goal shrinking in front of them. or snooker players like the most famous match in its history 1985 black ball final. where the easiest shots were missed.



1958 - the finale was between Hawthorn & Moss in Morocco. with the dropped points system where Moss had to win & hope hawthorn didnt come 2nd. Moss won but lost out on the title due to a combination of a 1 greatest bits of sportsmanship at Portuguese GP where Hawthorn was DSQ, but Hill went to the stewards to defend him & got it reversed, the Team Orders as Phil Hill let his teammate through with 14 laps to go in the finale

1974 - the last time both title rivals went into the Final round dead level, as Fittipaldi & Regazzoni fought it out in Watkins Glen, but despite them starting 8th & 9th Regazzoni car let him down as defective damper made him struggle with handiing he finish 11th 4 laps down, leaving Fittipaldi free to finish 4th winning the world title

1976 - Arguably the most Famous Rivalry, immortalised in film & the 1 that transform F1 into the sport it is today because it was never televised before fuji & as the story goes the only reason why the race in atrocious conditions went ahead was because Bernie had sold the rights & cancellation. meant no money from the TV or circuit promoter. Lauda drove straight into the pits after the start still recoving from the injures that nearly killed him & was a miracle he was still alive, stating "My life means more to me than the championship" & Hunt determined to win the F1 title drove on, managed to get 3rd to take the title. F1 would never be the same again

1984 - the Great rivalry between the Young Prost & Lauda who had come out of retirement trying to win a 3rd world title at 35. 7yrs after his 2nd. he came in with a 3.5pt advantage but Prost qualified 2nd & Lauda was 11th. but he cut his way through the field & on lap 52 Mansell brake failure put him into 2nd. giving him the title by half a point

1986 - 3 drivers Mansell 70 Prost 64 & Piquet 63 with a chance but it was going so well Mansell had pole but dropped to 4th by the 1st lap with 25 laps to go, all 3 were 2nd, 3rd & 4th. but with 18 laps to go millions of british hearts sank at 3am, left rear tyre exploded on the Brabham Straight, Murray said the immortal line "colossally thats Mansell" Piquet was brought in as a precaution & Prost stayed out winning not only the race but the world championship

1994 - Adelaide a Race that nearly 30yrs later that can start arguments because of memorable season for all the wrong reasons with that began with Benetton Traction control allegations, Senna & Ratsenberger tragic accidents, the Black flag at Silverstone & Schumacher banned for 3 races. but so we came into adelaide with Schumacher with a 1pt lead. on Lap 36 everything changed Schumacher hit the wall & allegedly braking his suspension, Hill came around unknownly impulsively tried to overtake, but both drivers collided & retired. giving schumacher his 1st world title that is still controversial



1997 - Schumacher like adelaide came into this with a 1pt lead over his williams rival this time Jacques Villenueve. both started on the front row. Schumacher took the lead, with villenueve 2nd & held like that until lap 48. when at turn 6, Villenueve went down the inside line of schumacher & the both collided, damaging Villeneuve battery & schumacher suspension leaving him in the gravel. Martin Brundle saw that Schumacher's move had been deliberate, saying, "That didn't work Michael. You hit the wrong part of him, my friend" Villenueve pace suffered but in the lead & he only needed 5th, in the last 23 laps he managed to hold letting the mclarens through. in the aftermath Villenueve won the title & Schumacher was thrown out

1998 - A 3rd title decider featuring Schumacher but this time it was Mika Hakkinen & McLaren. 1 of the iconic rivalries but for the 1st time schumacher arrived behind not only on points but on wins. needing to win & hope hakkinen came 3rd or lower. it all went as he stalled from pole, leaving the door wide open for Hakkinen to take his 1st title

2008 - for me the greatest finish to an F1 season there has been, Hamilton lead going into it with 7pt lead but the scars very much there from 2007 & going into the lions den. it didnt start well massa on pole & Hamilton started 4th but for most of the race he was harassed by Vettel & then the rain fell on lap 63. throwing it all into the mix with 5 laps to go Hamilton pitted for intermediates, with 2 laps to go Hamilton went wide handing vettel the all important 5th place, & he couldnt find a way past & it looked like all was lost, & 2007 would repeat all over again until the most dramatic of ending

ALLEN: [Massa] has done everything he needed to do and we wait now to find out who will be the World Champion of 2008. Can Hamilton do anything? Can he run it up the inside of Vettel? Only a few corners to go now, and desperation starts to creep into Lewis Hamilton.

BRUNDLE: Räikkönen's third and... is that Glock? Is that Glock going slowly? It is! That's Glock!

2012 - the final finale between 2 different teams, Vettel in the Red Bull & Alonso in the Ferrari, a miracle with the car difference in pace it had gotten to a finale. but many people call this the best race of 2010s rain at the start. as we so much action it was Wet & Dry all race through was arguably the 1 that got away as hulkenberg really should have won his 1st race. Vettel started 4th dropped to 7th & then was spun around at turn 4. dropped to the back & has severe damage to his radator. cold conditions helped him get up to 5th by lap 23 behind alonso in 4th. but as it dried vettel got slower as the car overheated Alonso moved to 2nd as Hamilton & Hulkenberg collided. which effort was in vain as Vettel had managed to limp his car into 7th needed. then just before the safety car that finished the race Schumacher in final race let his countryman into 6th. to cement his place & he won by 3pts


but the final word has to go to Kimi Raikkonen, a sad day for me because as much as it time & a likely overdue at 42 when Kimi contests his final race, he will be 5th oldest F1 driver in the televised history of F1. but at his best he was a match for anyone some outstanding drives, a brilliant character during a time when F1 drivers were micro managed became dull & boring , true 1 off & many will miss his honesty over the radio & in interviews
 

Ele373

Spectator
Nice trip down memory lane. What about 2010 in Abu Dhabi?
Fernando Alonso Ferrari leading on points needing a 5th or better finishing positions to take the title. Mark Webber, Red Bull being his closest rival followed by Sebastian Vettel and even Lewis Hamilton still being a possible title contender. Sebastian starting from pole and went on to win, doing what he needed to do with Mark finishing second, the decision came all down to where Alonso would finish. Ferrari having their eyes on Mark Webber decided to cover him with the pit stops, dropping Fernando behind Petrov in the Jordan and the drama unfolded as Fernando, despite trying everything was unable to pass the yellow car and finished 7th, giving Vettel his first world Championship.
 

Johnny Carwash

World Champion
Contributor
Lewis Hamilton all the way. Considering the changes to the car this season, which affected the low rake cars,Max Verstappen should be home and dry by now. Maybe he isn’t the messiah Christian Horner, Helmut Marko and the Jaffa army have led us to believe he is.
 

F1Brits_90

Champion Elect
Nice trip down memory lane. What about 2010 in Abu Dhabi?
i simply ran out of time LOL

i just about managed to squeeze 2012 in but agreed on 2010. because it is the race that brought in DRS & that for the 2nd time in 4 season the huge underdog deemed to have no chance going into the final 2 races managed to become world champion
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
Staff Member
Premium Contributor
but Hill went to the stewards to defend him & got it reversed, the Team Orders as Phil Hill let his teammate through with 14 laps to go in the finale
It was Moss who went to the stewards and had the decision reversed not Phill Hill.

Another classic final race was the 1964 climax in Mexico. John Surtees, Graham Hill and Jim Clark could all win the title depending on where each other finished. Hill was knocked out of the race when Lorenzo Bandini, Surtees team mate, collided with him. Clark had the title in his pocket until is engine failed with two laps to go. That gave the title back to Hill. Surtees then switched places with Bandini to finish second meaning that the title went to Ferrari. Ironically, when Surtees crossed the line in second place to take the title it was the first time he'd led the formula one championship all season. What was Hill's response to the collision?
He said:

"That was that. It had happened and nothing I could do or say would alter it. That’s the way I tend to see things when they have gone wrong. There’s no point in worrying about it, or all the other things that happened time and time again to rob me of winning races. I don’t look back and, this way, I have few regrets. Hopefully, I learn from these setbacks but I apply them forwards. Basically, if you look forward things tend to get better. Because we all live in hope and if there’s no hope there’s no life and no point in living."

And BRM Chief designer Tony Rudd:

"Graham and I agreed that it was no good lodging a protest, it would not change anything and it was not the way we liked to go racing. Mauro Forghieri, Ferrari’s Chief Engineer came to commiserate and apologize. We were absolutely besieged by the Press. I said I did not think Bandini did it on purpose, he was just a bit stupid. All I wanted to do was to forget about it and prepare for 1965."

Times have certainly changed haven't they.
 

F1Brits_90

Champion Elect
It was Moss who went to the stewards and had the decision reversed not Phill Hill.
thats annoying as i knew its moss but in my way in my rush at the end i forgot to check it. didnt realise i put hill

ah yes things have changed as 25 yrs later albeit in the penultimate race prost runs into senna & senna returns the favour. the following year
 
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FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
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Brogan

Legend
Staff Member
I think they should do a Squid Game Le Mans start.

The drivers all line up on the grid, get out of their cars, and have a massive fight trying to get back to their own car.
 

The Artist.....

Champion Elect
Brogan - I've long argued that Drivers should draw lots each weekend to determine which car they're going to race that weekend in.

Whilst there are costs to this, it would also get rid of lots of the inappropriate incentives (such as Red Bull constantly blowing smoke up Verstappen's posterior)...

You could have a system of "promotion and relegation" from F1, with the F2 champion (+second place?) automatically getting a place in F1, the last placed drivers relegated from F1 to F2, and additional places coming available when drivers retire.
 

Brogan

Legend
Staff Member
It's a nice idea but it's impractical.

All drivers have a preference as to how cars are not only set up, but designed around them.

If you have a spec car then the fundamental design, which will dictate how much setting up can be done and is beneficial, will naturally suit some drivers more than others.
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
Staff Member
Premium Contributor
We should forget the cars when it comes to qualifying and hold a running race over one lap of the track

Watch how drivers would start to campaign not to hold races in the Middle East.

🤣
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
Staff Member
Premium Contributor
The tweet has been deleted now. I think it's a troll account anyway. It's made of up of the usual firebrand retweets some of which are borderline racist.

Got more attention than it deserved when Karun put the poster back in his box.
 
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