Incubus
Champion Elect
What do I win if the Canadian Grand Prix winner does a 2-Stopper?
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3 sets of used rubber?
How many stops in Canada?
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3 sets of used rubber?
Andrea_Moda_Rules
Podium Finisher
Hell everbody expected tyres to wear soo fast before Monaco, but yet it looked like the winner might of won with only 1 stop. Hence we will never know because of the Red Flag (WTF was going on there, Petriov?) It could easily be one 1 or 5 i think and anywhere inbetween.
I think the mean over the season is about 3 right. So if i add a little mathematics to it 3 stops will mean that roughly 23/24 (two stints of 23 one stint of 24 laps) if it was split evenly take into consideration of the wear rate of the Prime and Option, Then 3 looks like the most obivous. If the Option (Soft) lasts just 12 laps then two stinits on the Prime (Hard) Could be possible with 29 laps needed to be run on both tyres, If theres a big performance differnce between Prime and Option, then it could possibly be four stinits, also if the Hard tyres do not strech to far. Even with the unusual amount of wear at Canada 5 stops looks a little OTT. that would be about 14 laps per stop. It would take some huge wear rates on the tyres for the tyres to stuggle with that, even if being cautious on them So it looks like 3/4 stops is most likely.
Therefore obiviuosly im putting a tenner on down the betting shops on there being 7 stops!
I think the mean over the season is about 3 right. So if i add a little mathematics to it 3 stops will mean that roughly 23/24 (two stints of 23 one stint of 24 laps) if it was split evenly take into consideration of the wear rate of the Prime and Option, Then 3 looks like the most obivous. If the Option (Soft) lasts just 12 laps then two stinits on the Prime (Hard) Could be possible with 29 laps needed to be run on both tyres, If theres a big performance differnce between Prime and Option, then it could possibly be four stinits, also if the Hard tyres do not strech to far. Even with the unusual amount of wear at Canada 5 stops looks a little OTT. that would be about 14 laps per stop. It would take some huge wear rates on the tyres for the tyres to stuggle with that, even if being cautious on them So it looks like 3/4 stops is most likely.
Therefore obiviuosly im putting a tenner on down the betting shops on there being 7 stops!
Ray - I really don't want to wind you up, but you asked...
Here are quotes from two...
Sorry mate. I saw that when you first wrote it last week and decided to let it go at the time, although the difference was important. I didn't feel that I could this time.
Here are quotes from two...
Sorry mate. I saw that when you first wrote it last week and decided to let it go at the time, although the difference was important. I didn't feel that I could this time.
ramilas1
Podium Finisher
My instinct says 3 stops in Canada, but the various arguments put forward for 2 stops have made very entertaining reading this morning, even if the points were a little laboured towards the end.
Of course, the strategists will be on alert to make adjustments based, not least, on how often Lewis crashes into other cars.
Of course, the strategists will be on alert to make adjustments based, not least, on how often Lewis crashes into other cars.
RayInTorontoCanada
Banned
Jez, thanks mate. Cheers
landogeorgelewis1
Champion Elect
I've stuck my neck on the line here and think that the majority off the runners in Canada will only stop twice weather permitting.
But TBH i reckon 3 stops could be correct but went with 2 stopper.
But TBH i reckon 3 stops could be correct but went with 2 stopper.
I think the winner is going to take 3 stops. I think 2 stops might be the next best choice (unless there are any 1 stoppers to wreck their party). Four and five stops means too few laps on the option tyres (two or three stints on primes...), which wont degrade quickly enough (8-9 laps) to make that necessary.
Why do I say this...? I built a spreadsheet and guessed at some variables for Canada...
http://cliptheapex.com/threads/pitstop-spreadsheet.2893/
What is it they say about assumptions...?
Why do I say this...? I built a spreadsheet and guessed at some variables for Canada...
http://cliptheapex.com/threads/pitstop-spreadsheet.2893/
What is it they say about assumptions...?
f1fansp
Podium Finisher
There's a nice website with some of James Allen's pre-race strategy stuff:
http://www.ubs.com/2/e/f1/index.html
Interestingly, he reckons there's only 11s lost in the pitlane; suppose this makes sense as the pit straight is only 400m long, and the pitlane cuts out the slow (relative) chicane and turn 1.
http://mclaren.com/page/canadian-grand-prix--technical-specifications
http://www.ubs.com/2/e/f1/index.html
Interestingly, he reckons there's only 11s lost in the pitlane; suppose this makes sense as the pit straight is only 400m long, and the pitlane cuts out the slow (relative) chicane and turn 1.
http://mclaren.com/page/canadian-grand-prix--technical-specifications
f1fansp
Podium Finisher
According to James Allen on the strategy site above, the difference between Supersoft and Soft at Montreal is only 0.5s (I don't know how its dropped from the 1.5s), which would push things towards fewer stops, using the 'Soft' as the optimal race tyre.
But then I thought this would be the case in Monaco and it didn't really work that way.
But then I thought this would be the case in Monaco and it didn't really work that way.
RayInTorontoCanada
Banned
What's truly amusing is that, having looked at the poll, there are 2 voters who said 6-stops-or-more! 
6 stops implies 7 sets of tyres!!!! 
5 stops implies using ALL 6 sets like some did in Spain.
If the time differential is only 0.5 seconds, then that plays into my 2-Stop scenario. Every extra stop increases the possiblility of time lost due to pit crew/driver error in the box and having to over-take...and as Alonso illustrated last year when he got out-gunned by Hamilton and then Button, over-taking people in Montreal is not a no-brainer.
6 stops implies 7 sets of tyres!
!!! 5 stops implies using ALL 6 sets like some did in Spain.
If the time differential is only 0.5 seconds, then that plays into my 2-Stop scenario. Every extra stop increases the possiblility of time lost due to pit crew/driver error in the box and having to over-take...and as Alonso illustrated last year when he got out-gunned by Hamilton and then Button, over-taking people in Montreal is not a no-brainer.
RayInTorontoCanada
Banned
You mean like Donnington in 1993? I think Prost had 7 pitstops, possibly one too many. Senna stopped 6 times, right?
So, I suppose in an outrageous scenario, they could have 6 stops if you take into account Inters, Full Wets, Softs and Super-Softs.
Just so that I know what the colours are when i'm at the cicuit, what colour is the P Zero Inters...and what colour is the Full Wet?
So, I suppose in an outrageous scenario, they could have 6 stops if you take into account Inters, Full Wets, Softs and Super-Softs.
Just so that I know what the colours are when i'm at the cicuit, what colour is the P Zero Inters...and what colour is the Full Wet?
I took a more scientific approach and went here:
http://www.random.org/
Setting the parameters to between 1 and 6 I got the answer 4. So there you are.
http://www.random.org/
Setting the parameters to between 1 and 6 I got the answer 4. So there you are.
RayInTorontoCanada
Banned
I just spoke to a friend in Montreal and he said it was going to be Sunny and 24 degrees. Perfect!
Some friends can be totally unreliable though
RayInTorontoCanada
Banned
True. But so can be the weather forecast sites across the ocean.
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