Bahrain GP Debate
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I want to know who keeps asking Eddie Irvine his opinion. The guy comes out with some real rubbish.
A fascist state killing its own people is like a night club full of ugly people. What !
I don't think anyone is asking his opinion! I think he just thinks everyone needs to hear it.
If only Senna was here to punch him in the face.
Still if even Eddie doesn't think F1 should go to Bahrain surely its a no go right?
and to be fair its still an obnoxius unneccesary statement whatever he's talking about - now if he said organising a Grand Prix in Baharain is a bit like Eddie Irvine - politcally incorrect - then I'd have laughed.
Or that organising a Grand Prix in Bahrain is a bit like Eddie Irvine - pointless, slow, unpopular, obnoxious and clearly outclassed by its peers - then he might have a point.
landogeorgelewis1
Champion Elect
I think going to Bahrain is all wrong, it's still very much unsafe at the moment. I'd like to think a sensible decision is made about this race going ahead.
I think that the only three categories that should be taken in to account when deciding whether to have a race or not are a follows:
1. Staging the race causes danger to civilians in the country.
2. Danger to travelling fans/media.
3. Danger to F1 personnel.
I don't know much about the current situation in Bahrain but I feel that it probably passes these criteria unless protesters try to use the race to make a statement somehow.
This might be a pretty emotionless viewpoint but I think sport should try and stay out of country politics as much as possible and it's a bit of a can of worms anyway as others have mentioned (where to you draw the line?) I would like to think that sport can be used to bring people together and have a moment of fun and peace amongst all the turmoil.
1. Staging the race causes danger to civilians in the country.
2. Danger to travelling fans/media.
3. Danger to F1 personnel.
I don't know much about the current situation in Bahrain but I feel that it probably passes these criteria unless protesters try to use the race to make a statement somehow.
This might be a pretty emotionless viewpoint but I think sport should try and stay out of country politics as much as possible and it's a bit of a can of worms anyway as others have mentioned (where to you draw the line?) I would like to think that sport can be used to bring people together and have a moment of fun and peace amongst all the turmoil.
I would say that because of the race's association with the monarchy and the nature of the event, there is likely to be an extremely angry protest and thus criteria 2 and 3 are breached.
ATL11
Pole Sitter
This is all about not who's running the country and what they are doing to the people, this is about the safety of the F1 circus when it comes to town, well that vs how much money F1 will make from the race. If the issues was about the regime then the race would have been banned a long time ago......+ there are other dodgy governments who stages races.
Bahrain is between a rock & a hard place......suppress the population so there are no protests during the GP and they do what they've said the not doing, don't and they risk well looking like fools in front of Millions if not Billions and that what brings about the end of regimes..........
And I would suggest that gun wielding protesters storming the track endangers the event. And they'd do that because they'd be angry that the Crown Prince's hobbies matter more to the government than the welfare of the general populus*.
*The same can be said for England, hence the Chelsea Flower Show
ATL11
Pole Sitter
Of course give them the opportunity as they'll know the State Media won't be able to control what the world sees via F1........
Can you imagine the race is halted on lap 16 when 20 protesters storm the track, they are removed via security forces but unfortunately 3 protesters are killed through the Security Forces actions.......the responses:
F1 Media - Is saddened by the 3 protesters deaths live on TV today during the Grand Prix. F1 is working together with FIA and the Bahrain Leaders on what the next steps should be? The race was stopped on Lap 16 and will the result will not be included as part of the F1 standings and F1 can confirm there will be no rerun of the race this season. F1 is saddened and its sorrow goes out to the families of the protesters who's lives were lost today.
BBC News - 3 Protesters slain live on TV by Security Forces during the Bahrain Grand Prix. After the race was cancelled, all Authorities are working to together to resolve the issues in Bahrain. Middle East's Arab league condemns the Actions and demand Bahrain leaders are accountable for these deaths. World Leaders condemn the actions today in Bahrain.
Bahrain State Media - The Grand Prix today was won by Sebastian Vettel, with Alonso 2nd & Hamilton 3rd. Enemy's of the state tried to destroy the great nations image through a protest on lap 16 but this was removed without incident and race continue for a fantastic win by Sebastian Vettel, long live Bahrain....
Blog Zbod
Podium Finisher
The elephant in the room no one is talking about is that the principle difference between Bahrain and many other wealthy Arab countries is the Bahrainis have been less successful suppressing their dissidents. Most if not all oil-rich Arab countries have an underclass comprised primarily of immigrant manual labourers that is systemically repressed and abused. The abuse isn't universal but it is widespread and government condoned. It occurs because G-d wills it: Insha'Allah. The reason you aren't hearing similar stories from Kuwait and the UAE and others is those countries have been more effective at controlling public displays of dissent (i.e., their repression is better).
That list of nations certainly includes the UAE, which includes Abu Dhabi, home to Yas Marina and Ferrari World. Is the objective in banning Bahrain to reward the protesters or to punish a government's human rights abuses? If it is the latter, is it hypocritical to ban Bahrain and still race Abu Dhabi? And what are we to make of the luxury car manufacturers -- several of whom sponsor F1 teams -- who so prominently market in those same countries?
It might give you a warm fuzzy to feel F1 have punished some bad people but, truth be told, banning Bahrain accomplishes very little if anything. The most likely outcome is the government will be driven to devise more effective means of muzzling the dissenters, not to address their grievances.
That list of nations certainly includes the UAE, which includes Abu Dhabi, home to Yas Marina and Ferrari World. Is the objective in banning Bahrain to reward the protesters or to punish a government's human rights abuses? If it is the latter, is it hypocritical to ban Bahrain and still race Abu Dhabi? And what are we to make of the luxury car manufacturers -- several of whom sponsor F1 teams -- who so prominently market in those same countries?
It might give you a warm fuzzy to feel F1 have punished some bad people but, truth be told, banning Bahrain accomplishes very little if anything. The most likely outcome is the government will be driven to devise more effective means of muzzling the dissenters, not to address their grievances.
landogeorgelewis1
Champion Elect
Any news on this event?
Is it still going ahead?
If not do you think that instead of going to Bahrain we should try and go to the Qatar Moto-gp circuit instead?
Is it still going ahead?
If not do you think that instead of going to Bahrain we should try and go to the Qatar Moto-gp circuit instead?
landogeorgelewis1
Champion Elect
Cheers bud. Well it would be good to go back there i suppose, shame to leave a track there doing nothing.
landogeorgelewis1
Champion Elect
I think the big mistake was changing the track layout. I didn't think there was ought wrong with the original layout. Wonder how DRS will work at the Track though.
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