Grand Prix 2015 Monaco Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

There is something - indeed, almost everything - different about the Monaco Grand Prix. Free practice will take place on Thursday, and F1 will take Friday off. The race will be 40km shorter despite having more laps than any other Grand Prix, and its winners will jump out of the car straight to the 'podium', which will be made up, simply, of a red carpet. Most strikingly, Bernie Ecclestone does not ask for a fee from the organisers in order to include the Grand Prix in his Championship.

The track is old: it has scarcely changed since 1929. The building of the Ranier III Swimming Stadium in 1972 still represents the biggest change that has ever been made to the course. It is very slow by Formula One standards - pole laps frequently average less than 100mph, and the shortening of the distance does not prevent the winning time pushing over one and three-quarter hours even when the red flag has not been thrown. Some of that is also because the Safety Car is so much more likely to appear.

The Safety Car doesn't prevent overtaking in Monaco too much more than the layout itself does - with the pole sitter having won every dry Grand Prix there since 2004, with 2008 standing as the only wet event in that period, won by Lewis Hamilton from third having planted the wall at exactly the right moment! Track position is vital; an undercut is difficult to pull off, and passing someone on dodgy tyres is staggeringly hard. Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso found in 2011 that the only overtaking that occurs in Monaco is when they were overtaken by events.

Winning at Monaco is an interesting achievement. It can certainly underline your reputation as a great (Senna's 6, Schumacher's 5 and Prost's 4), although there are some conspicuous absentees (Clark, Piquet, Mansell). Some find a groove there that they don't maintain elsewhere (Webber, Coulthard, Trintignant), and some have their solitary moment in the sun there (Trulli, Panis, Beltoise). Either way, those that win at Monaco will tell you it is the best circuit on the calendar to win on. Graham Hill's legend will always be founded upon his achievements here.

Who will be the 2015 winner? Following on from Catalan victory, Nico Rosberg will be heartened by his own form in the principality, having won dominantly in each of the last two years. He'll also enjoy that Monaco has never served as a favoured circuit to his team-mate Hamilton (whose only win came courtesy of said lucky walling, and has not finished ahead of a team-mate who actually completed the distance otherwise), and has certainly not favoured Ferrari (who have only won there 8 times from their 61 attempts, and have not taken a victory there since 2001). Although the differences at Monaco are often exaggerated, sometimes constructors do find the circuit to their liking if they focus more on aerodynamics than power, which suggests that this may be Red Bull's best chance to challenge Williams this season.

However, predicting what might happen on a Monaco race day is often a fools' game. It could well be a tedious procession, but it could well be full of drama - a good position can often be thrown into the ubiquitous Armco, the lack of new engines for this circuit could lead to one going pop or a frustrated move down at the Grand Hotel could lead to a front-wing buckling. Last year, lest we forget, Jules Bianchi achieved his one-and-only points finish in Formula One - the only points for the new-for-2010 teams in 5 years of trying. There have been many tedious processions here, but there has been 1970, 1982, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 1997, 2004, 2008 and 2011 too. Lets hope to add 2015 to that illustrious list.
 
May be it was here
but I found one interesting comment from Darren Heath (photographer F1)

"Lewis will bounce back of course, but that’s not really the point, is it? His team let him down in a worrying moment of madness, and for all the 'we win and lose together’ sickly sweet ‘n’ syrupy sound bites, one hopes that Hamilton showed – away from the media’s greedy gaze – some proper Fernando Alonso-like rage.
Lewis plays the overly affected headphone-wearing dude with aplomb, trouble is when his post-disastrous-race look is exactly the same, there’s no clout.
Crash helmet flung across the room and a door wrenched off its hinges – as I witnessed Fernando act out at Shanghai 2007 – is what I hope Lewis did on Sunday."

http://www.darrenheath.com/blog/head-on-a-plate
 
"Crash helmet flung across the room and a door wrenched off its hinges – as I witnessed Fernando act out at Shanghai 2007 – is what I hope Lewis did on Sunday."
http://www.darrenheath.com/blog/head-on-a-plate

This advice is useful
But I didn't hear that Alonso was so "angry" in the Shanghai 2007.
I was thinking that Alonso didn't has reason to angry:
McLaren made result for Alonso by holding Hamilton "out a lap too long" on the killed intermediate tyre.
 
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Verstappen accidentally ran into the back of somebody trying to push the limit a little bit too much. Does that make him a loose cannon? No. It just means he made a mistake that caused a pretty standard accident that looked spectacular and caused a safety car because it happened at Monaco. He got a grid penalty, and rightfully so, but it doesn't make him dangerous. And its not his god damn fault that Lewis/Mercedes/whoever fucked up the strategy about as badly as you can fuck up a strategy. Rant over.
 
Your probably aware it was me that referred to Verstappen as a loose cannon. My reasons are simple. Very rare to see an experienced driver push the limits to that degree at a circuit like Monaco, it was a rookie misjudgement and on a different circuit or even at Monaco, had he made contact a little closer to the turn he could have cleared the armco which could have resulted in a fatality, if not to the driver then possibly to a marshal, which is why he received a penalty. Penalties are issued when the marshals consider a driver has been dangerous. Massa was very clear with his comment when he stated he considered it dangerous.
Something else that was disappointing was Verstappens behaviour afterwards when he tried to shift blame to Grosjean by accusing him of braking early. In reality Grosjean braked 5 metres later, not earlier and the data proving this was handed to the FIA, providing the evidence which led to the penalty. Very disappointing that he tried to clear himself by blaming another driver which was one more reason I referred to him as a loose cannon. I'll be happy to change my view when he accepts responsibility for his mistakes.
 
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If every driver drove like Felipe Massa it would be a pretty dull (even more dull) race. Max made a mistake, he won't be the first F1 driver to do this or the last. I think the penalty is pretty harsh given the maturity of his performances so far this season.

Did anyone notice double World Champion, Fernando Alonso got away with only a 5 second stop go penalty for pushing another driver off the track and, effectively, ruining their race?

He had a right old whinge, apparently it was the other blokes fault.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/32870146
 
i don't think there was that much to notice because a five-second penalty was about right under today's guidelines. He was fully alongside and his rear wheel lost grip. On this occasion Hulkenberg came off worst but that's racing. Wouldn't have been a problem at any other track but at Monaco that means contact with the barrier. Fairly typical Monaco racing incident and even Nico said as much.

like many others on here I'm utterly fed up with those penalties. Things like happen in racing, and only serial offenders should get some sort of penalty when they're consistantly at fault.
 
The full radio exchange between Merc and Lewis has been released. Unreal, in out in out shake it all about. :rolleyes::facepalm:
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The Mercedes radio exchange
Peter Bonnington: "So, just a reminder, you are in your Safety Car... Virtual Safety Car. Virtual Safety Car. So look at your dash, look at the boards. Keep positive. Stay positive. And you are staying out."

PB: "So we are staying out and you are just staying positive."

PB: "Okay, Lewis, a Safety Car has been deployed."

Lewis Hamilton: "Are you sure it's the best thing to stay out?"

PB: "Nope, we will be boxing the end of the lap. Boxing the end of the lap. So just stay positive. Stay positive. We are going to go +1 ½ turns for the option tyre unless you tell us different."

PB: "Okay Lewis, just give us pit confirm."

PB: "Okay, so we are now staying out. Staying out. Staying out. Just confirm on the radio."

LH: "Guys, that's not good. These tyres have lost all their temperature. Everyone is going to be on options now."

PB: "Okay. Copy, copy. Box, box. Box, box."

PB: "So, cancel brake magic. Cancel the brake magic."

PB: "Caution on pit entry."

PB: "RS modes. RS modes."

PB: "So, cancel RS. Watch the line on pit exit."

LH: "What's happened guys? Guys, what's happened?"

PB: "Okay, Lewis, so we got caught behind. So we're just getting a look now, just having a look now. Just reviewing the video. So stick the brake warming on, let’s get some temperature into these brakes."

PB: "Okay, Lewis. So we have lost the marshalling system so we may need to do something to override DRS."

LH: "I've lost this race, haven't I?"

PB: "Not if they lose all their tyre temp. They're on the prime tyre. You've got very good options on the car at the moment."

LH: "How many laps left?"

PB: "We’ve got 13 laps remaining."
 
What's most interesting is how when it happened everyone immediately blamed Mercedes.

Then the blame shifted to Hamilton for complaining about the tyres.

Now it looks like Mercedes were running around like headless chickens and finally decided to pit based on Hamilton's second message.
 
The confusion comes between Hamilton stating 'are you sure it's best to stay out' and 'Guys that's not good'. The team appear to change their minds twice but also there seems to be something missing. Hamilton says in the 'that's not good' message that everyone will be on options. That would only be the case if everyone was pitting because as the team later tell him, everyone around him was on primes and he was the only driver on a fresh set of options from pitting. I'm guessing that immediately before the not good message was when Hamilton mistook a screen showing mechanics in the pit line for drivers pitting. It's easy to see how the messages between team and driver can get mixed though. Both are under a great deal of pressure and the constant chaging of minds at Mercedes can't have helped the situation at all.

The calls go 'we're staying out' 'we're boxing' 'we're staying out' 'we're boxing' all in a short space of time. It does seem though that the 'guys not good' message pushed the call back towards pitting. What he team missed though was that no one at the front was on options (a fact they later confirmed) and that no one else was coming in.
 
Headless chickens don't come close to that pile of witless exchanges.

Why on Earth have they gone public with it anyway ? Who is it they are trying to humiliate?
 
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