Grand Prix 2014 Hungarian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

For the 28th time in a row we come to the Hungaroring for the Hungarian Grand Prix. That actually makes this the 3rd longest serving track on the calendar with Spa taking a break for 2003 and Silverstone not having the British Grand Prix in 1986. So rightfully should be given the ‘classic’ status as an event. It isn’t a phrase used very often for the track though as it greatly divides opinion amongst fans due to the difficult nature if passing on the track. Its often described as Monaco without the walls and whilst to some that is a negative tag for me, as I love Monaco, it’s a compliment. The twisty nature of the dust bowl that is Hungry is a great leveller for car performance or for at least mixing up the running order as due to the place barely having a straight the teams can’t just rely on horsepower to blast their way through. One of the reasons I personally love the track is because a driver who dials himself into the track can really make a difference. If a driver picks their lines spot on and finds the best spots on the tarmac for grip they can arguably get more of a gain at this track than on any other track all season.

Personally I fell in love with the Hungaroring after watching the tense battle of the Boutsen train in 1990. For me that was F1 at its finest as the best in the business at the time put each other under pressure and tried as hard as they can to find a way to the front. Boutsen held on with the defensive drive of his life but Senna came above the rest to take the 2nd spot although he and Berger both got away with basically punting Naninni and Mansell out of the race in moves now that would have the stewards jumping over themselves to slap on massive penalty’s. Speaking of penalty’s it would be amiss of me not to mention what, for me, was the overtake of the season by Grosjean last year that was ‘disallowed’ due to a dubious judgement of track limits.

Overtaking is difficult here but whilst it is not in abundance it is always of high quality as a driver really has to work hard to make it stick. The hard nature of the overtaking does not mean we always have lights to flag victories. This would not be a Hungarian GP review without a mention of Mansell’s win from 12th in 1989. The racing here is never without passion, which leads me to pointing towards Damon Hill’s awesome drive in the Arrows in 97. Its also in recent times been known for first time winners with Alonso, Button and Kovalinen taking debut wins here.

This season the Hungaroring should shake things up a bit by again the Merc advantage with that not able to use that horsepower. We do seem to say that every week now though. If you look at Lewis Hamilton’s form around this track I can’t see it mattering too much and, whilst Rosberg has never had great results round here, Its similarity to Monaco and his form there suggests he won’t be any slouch either. The Red Bull chassie should really come in to play round here and should shuffle them forward meaning Danny Ricciardo might be buzzing around them silver arrows and with Vettel creeping ever closer to him he should be around too. The Williams is continuing to look good with Bottas really seeming to have found another gear and with this being the nearest he has to a home race he could be a factor. I don’t think we should rule out the Mclaren’s too as Jenson Button is another expert around here and KMag comes to one of the few tracks he knows and race around last season. The car seems to be getting better and any sign of a weather mix up and they’ll most likely have to be factored in by the pair at the front.

This race is the last race of the first act of F1 2014 and you have to say its been a good one. We all know that the summer break can change a lot but whatever that may bring everyone will be hoping for a great result at this one. The break is a long time to rue any errors, and in the case of the Merc drivers, it’s a long time to be sitting doing maths in your head at what you need to do to pull a points gap back.

So come on guys hit me with a few predictions as well as thoughts on the Hungaroring.
 
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Mephistopheles It appears I was wrong Hamilton went from 14th to 13th. Fair enough. However you can hardly blame Hamilton for overtaking cars in the laps following the safety car, what was he meant to do?

That was another area Hamilton was better than Rosberg, cutting through the traffic, Hamilton made up 4 places in one lap in Hungary.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
 
If you want to compare Hamilton to Raikkonen, it is quite simple.

Hamilton beat his team-mate from 21 places down, gaining 4 under Safety Car, due to a qualamity in which he was blameless, on an inferior strategy.

Raikkonen was not blameless, he caught to nowhere near his team-mate on a superior strategy and barely beat anyone on a half-decent strategy.
 
Lap chart.

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http://cliptheapex.com/overtaking/gps/2014-hun.908/
 
Yes Brogan I did that; I must say I'm ashamed to say I never knew that the overtaking chart was so brilliant (makes mental note to make more use of it in future).

edit: too many "say"s in there, but you get my drift.
 
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I think it is pretty much okay to say that driver A had a good race without having to say that driver B had an inferior one due to the fact that the circumstances of each driver is entirely different which means it is more or less impossible to compare whether driver A would have done a better job than driver B if their respective situations had have been reversed, or am I being a bit too simplistic? Because I can go into the most minuscule of details as to why this may or may not be true if that is what people would like...
 
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siffert_fan Straws? Clutching at?

Hamilton is in a car over 2 secs per lap faster than the bottom feeders he was flying past in the early laps (based on qualifying times).
The Ferrari, in Alonso's hands in quali generally had less than half that advantage. Therefore, with the cars being more equally matched, passing is obviously going to be more difficult.
 
Indeed. I call that a well kept secret. Maybe we should hush now in case we attract a shed load of those pariahs who only join clip for these very stat's ... :whistle:
 
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