Grand Prix 2014 Hungarian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

For the 28th time in a row we come to the Hungaroring for the Hungarian Grand Prix. That actually makes this the 3rd longest serving track on the calendar with Spa taking a break for 2003 and Silverstone not having the British Grand Prix in 1986. So rightfully should be given the ‘classic’ status as an event. It isn’t a phrase used very often for the track though as it greatly divides opinion amongst fans due to the difficult nature if passing on the track. Its often described as Monaco without the walls and whilst to some that is a negative tag for me, as I love Monaco, it’s a compliment. The twisty nature of the dust bowl that is Hungry is a great leveller for car performance or for at least mixing up the running order as due to the place barely having a straight the teams can’t just rely on horsepower to blast their way through. One of the reasons I personally love the track is because a driver who dials himself into the track can really make a difference. If a driver picks their lines spot on and finds the best spots on the tarmac for grip they can arguably get more of a gain at this track than on any other track all season.

Personally I fell in love with the Hungaroring after watching the tense battle of the Boutsen train in 1990. For me that was F1 at its finest as the best in the business at the time put each other under pressure and tried as hard as they can to find a way to the front. Boutsen held on with the defensive drive of his life but Senna came above the rest to take the 2nd spot although he and Berger both got away with basically punting Naninni and Mansell out of the race in moves now that would have the stewards jumping over themselves to slap on massive penalty’s. Speaking of penalty’s it would be amiss of me not to mention what, for me, was the overtake of the season by Grosjean last year that was ‘disallowed’ due to a dubious judgement of track limits.

Overtaking is difficult here but whilst it is not in abundance it is always of high quality as a driver really has to work hard to make it stick. The hard nature of the overtaking does not mean we always have lights to flag victories. This would not be a Hungarian GP review without a mention of Mansell’s win from 12th in 1989. The racing here is never without passion, which leads me to pointing towards Damon Hill’s awesome drive in the Arrows in 97. Its also in recent times been known for first time winners with Alonso, Button and Kovalinen taking debut wins here.

This season the Hungaroring should shake things up a bit by again the Merc advantage with that not able to use that horsepower. We do seem to say that every week now though. If you look at Lewis Hamilton’s form around this track I can’t see it mattering too much and, whilst Rosberg has never had great results round here, Its similarity to Monaco and his form there suggests he won’t be any slouch either. The Red Bull chassie should really come in to play round here and should shuffle them forward meaning Danny Ricciardo might be buzzing around them silver arrows and with Vettel creeping ever closer to him he should be around too. The Williams is continuing to look good with Bottas really seeming to have found another gear and with this being the nearest he has to a home race he could be a factor. I don’t think we should rule out the Mclaren’s too as Jenson Button is another expert around here and KMag comes to one of the few tracks he knows and race around last season. The car seems to be getting better and any sign of a weather mix up and they’ll most likely have to be factored in by the pair at the front.

This race is the last race of the first act of F1 2014 and you have to say its been a good one. We all know that the summer break can change a lot but whatever that may bring everyone will be hoping for a great result at this one. The break is a long time to rue any errors, and in the case of the Merc drivers, it’s a long time to be sitting doing maths in your head at what you need to do to pull a points gap back.

So come on guys hit me with a few predictions as well as thoughts on the Hungaroring.
 
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His team mate was in the same car and started an infinite number of grid positions ahead of him.
And what does that have to do with anything?

The sad fact is that so many people here seem so Hamilton-centric that they either cannot appreciate or will not admit when someone else has a good day.
 
I've taken a back seat as far as my favourite driver is concerned and have decided to see the funny side of his current situation, well it ain't that funny but it no longer overly bothers me...
 
This was pass of the race for me, not a simple DRS breeze-past. Best video I could find unfortunately, doesn't really do it justice.


This is the type of stuff F1 needs to be sharing on YouTube. There should be a high quality video of this, with multiple angles preferably, on an official Formula One YouTube account. Simple stuff like that could go a long ways towards highlighting how great this sport is and drawing in new fans.
 
And what does that have to do with anything?

The sad fact is that so many people here seem so Hamilton-centric that they either cannot appreciate or will not admit when someone else has a good day.

I'll just point out two things

1 - I never said Kimi had a bad race. I said he had a solid race but was out done by his team mate yet again which is why no one was talking about it (which is the question you asked)

2 - no one mention comparing Hamilton and Kimi's race until you did.

"Don't nention the war!"
"You started it."
"No we didn't you invaded Poland"
 
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I don't think Kimi had a good day. He was miles behind Alonso - again - and essentially beat people who either made their own errors (Vettel), made hopeless strategy calls (Bottas, McLarens) or were slow.

He was beaten by Massa who spent half the race trying to nurse primes to the end, which really is not impressive.

And the engine was not so important here so Ferrari should have been closer, but as usual only the one with a big white 14 on the front was.

That 6th is considered worthy of special praise is a damming indictment of Raikkonen's current level.
 
This is the type of stuff F1 needs to be sharing on YouTube. There should be a high quality video of this, with multiple angles preferably, on an official Formula One YouTube account. Simple stuff like that could go a long ways towards highlighting how great this sport is and drawing in new fans.

You have possibly hit the "nail on the head" in regards to why F1 is hemorrhaging fans. It keeps beating itself up, changing the regulations, adding gimmicks and chasing its own butt. But the fact is F1 has had an obsession with exclusivity and punishing anyone who takes more than a passing interest in F1. If you post so much as a photo of an F1 car you get blasted by FOM for breech of copyright. They do everything in their power to make people feel guilty about wanting to know what the lap times were during pre-season testing. They don't just shoot themselves in the foot, they shoot the fans in the head too!

F1 should copyright stupidity, they have certainly cornered the market.
 
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snowy
You can blame Bernie who controls all the marketing rights for F1 - just like Horner said in the press conference ask Bernie why the turnout for Germany was poor
 
snowy
You can blame Bernie who controls all the marketing rights for F1 - just like Horner said in the press conference ask Bernie why the turnout for Germany was poor
Can they just not ask the fans, I'm sure they'll have a mailing list and Bernie could call them to find out?
 
ATL11
The commercial rights of F1 are owned by Formula One Management (FOM) which is headed by Bernie Ecclestone

Bernie only wants to look after his circle of friends - he'd rather have the posh and glamour of F1 and forget who helps make F1 what it is - the fans

His answer if they can't afford the tickets then go and get a TV its much cheaper to follow
 
ATL11
The commercial rights of F1 are owned by Formula One Management (FOM) which is headed by Bernie Ecclestone

Bernie only wants to look after his circle of friends - he'd rather have the posh and glamour of F1 and forget who helps make F1 what it is - the fans

His answer if they can't afford the tickets then go and get a TV its much cheaper to follow
Il_leone But with that approach comes a problem, sponsors don't want to be associated with a Grand Prox with half full stadiums.

Think the key thing is they've finally taken notice, but then again it's common across many Motor Sports, if you catch up on NASCAR the number of empty seats there is frightening.
 
So teabagyokel Hamilton makes great overtakes on everyone in front of him and has a brilliant race and Kimi only made up places due to the fact that the same people who Hamilton overtook so brilliantly made errors so Kimi is rubbish didn't pass anyone legitimately and had a bad race...;)
 
Mephistopheles - The most important thing is that Raikkonen was at fault for failing to make Q1, Hamilton wasn't.

So Hamilton prospered through adversity, Raikkonen arguably recovered his own cock-up. There is the difference.
 
Actually the team told Kimi he was safe not to go out, Kimi did question that decision and a lot of drivers didn't go out but the team was wrong by about 1/1000th of a second..
 
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it was the team who told Kimi he was safe and he questioned whether they were absolutely sure as he was prepared to go out .

and they reiterated he was safe only for Bianchi to knock him out
 
Kimi shouldn't have really left himself in a position where he could be knocked out. On a circuit where he's done well he shouldn't really be in the bottom third of the time sheet.
 
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