Grand Prix 2014 Hungarian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

For the 28th time in a row we come to the Hungaroring for the Hungarian Grand Prix. That actually makes this the 3rd longest serving track on the calendar with Spa taking a break for 2003 and Silverstone not having the British Grand Prix in 1986. So rightfully should be given the ‘classic’ status as an event. It isn’t a phrase used very often for the track though as it greatly divides opinion amongst fans due to the difficult nature if passing on the track. Its often described as Monaco without the walls and whilst to some that is a negative tag for me, as I love Monaco, it’s a compliment. The twisty nature of the dust bowl that is Hungry is a great leveller for car performance or for at least mixing up the running order as due to the place barely having a straight the teams can’t just rely on horsepower to blast their way through. One of the reasons I personally love the track is because a driver who dials himself into the track can really make a difference. If a driver picks their lines spot on and finds the best spots on the tarmac for grip they can arguably get more of a gain at this track than on any other track all season.

Personally I fell in love with the Hungaroring after watching the tense battle of the Boutsen train in 1990. For me that was F1 at its finest as the best in the business at the time put each other under pressure and tried as hard as they can to find a way to the front. Boutsen held on with the defensive drive of his life but Senna came above the rest to take the 2nd spot although he and Berger both got away with basically punting Naninni and Mansell out of the race in moves now that would have the stewards jumping over themselves to slap on massive penalty’s. Speaking of penalty’s it would be amiss of me not to mention what, for me, was the overtake of the season by Grosjean last year that was ‘disallowed’ due to a dubious judgement of track limits.

Overtaking is difficult here but whilst it is not in abundance it is always of high quality as a driver really has to work hard to make it stick. The hard nature of the overtaking does not mean we always have lights to flag victories. This would not be a Hungarian GP review without a mention of Mansell’s win from 12th in 1989. The racing here is never without passion, which leads me to pointing towards Damon Hill’s awesome drive in the Arrows in 97. Its also in recent times been known for first time winners with Alonso, Button and Kovalinen taking debut wins here.

This season the Hungaroring should shake things up a bit by again the Merc advantage with that not able to use that horsepower. We do seem to say that every week now though. If you look at Lewis Hamilton’s form around this track I can’t see it mattering too much and, whilst Rosberg has never had great results round here, Its similarity to Monaco and his form there suggests he won’t be any slouch either. The Red Bull chassie should really come in to play round here and should shuffle them forward meaning Danny Ricciardo might be buzzing around them silver arrows and with Vettel creeping ever closer to him he should be around too. The Williams is continuing to look good with Bottas really seeming to have found another gear and with this being the nearest he has to a home race he could be a factor. I don’t think we should rule out the Mclaren’s too as Jenson Button is another expert around here and KMag comes to one of the few tracks he knows and race around last season. The car seems to be getting better and any sign of a weather mix up and they’ll most likely have to be factored in by the pair at the front.

This race is the last race of the first act of F1 2014 and you have to say its been a good one. We all know that the summer break can change a lot but whatever that may bring everyone will be hoping for a great result at this one. The break is a long time to rue any errors, and in the case of the Merc drivers, it’s a long time to be sitting doing maths in your head at what you need to do to pull a points gap back.

So come on guys hit me with a few predictions as well as thoughts on the Hungaroring.
 
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'Pinch of salt' won't be in a dictionary would it?
Could be; if the dictionary was left open, and in the same locality, when you seasoned your fish'n'chips? :snigger:

I would add a comment about my brother being better than everybody else's brother, despite being nowhere near as lucky.....
....... but those comments have been done to death and should all be gathered together atop one large pile of equine excrement.
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Can't believe we have to wait 4 weeks for the next race :-(

Just out of interest, is there a correlation between tracks which normally serve up stagnant races under the old formula and decent races under the new one? Spain, Hungary, Bahrain. Strange innit?
 
Spain was voted the worst race of the year last season and is second from bottom so far this year in CTA race of the year FB . Hungary and Bahrain have both been very highly ranked the last two years though despite their reputation.
 
I seem to recall Spain not being too bad but then some of the other races this year have been exceptional. Maybe they should make Lewis start from the pit lane every race....
 
The Hungaroring has been one of my personal favourites for donkey's years. That was reinforced in 1997 when I found it the trickiest track to master on Psygnosis' first PS1 F1 game and it's not got any easier in my CGI fantasy world as an F1 pilot. All the overtaking at the weekend was undoubtedly most exciting for those fortunate enough to be track-side to see it. However, I found the race intriguing and full of suspense even though we probably saw less overtaking on the telly than we have in previous years.

A passing maneouvre is not in itself the thrilling bit - especially if you only get to see it as a slo-mo replay. The chase leading up to the pass creates the intensity of the moment. The harder we see the chaps chasing down and then trying this way and that to pull it off builds the tension. When you see two or three (or more) fighting to break through to the front of a group things get really tense and engaging. It's not just the chase and attempted attacks that engage either. The defensive work is part and parcel of the excitement. Then, when you see one guy in a dominant car fail, get out of the way to pit, a four-times WDC pushed into a spectacular error and the other hotshot comes through to show how it's done, we go wow!

Well, need I say more? Yes I must. We don't get that build up to a crescendo at the standard Tilkedrome. What we get is blip-vert DRS assisted blast past, job done and toodle pip old chap. Oh, yes sometimes we get a couple of switch-back place swaps, but inevitably the fast bloke/car combo' gets it done as expected and we are less than thrilled.

So, as far as I'm concerned Hungaroring like Monaco is a classic circuit worthy of it's place on the calendar and I love it, dry, wet or just damp and breezy.:goodday:
 
Then, when you see one guy in a dominant car fail, get out of the way to pit, a four-times WDC pushed into a spectacular error and the other hotshot comes through to show how it's done, we go wow!

It is quite probable that Lewis's car set up was changed to make overtaking possible and that Nico's set up was specific to qualifying and leading a race. :thinking::unsure::bored::thinking::blink::o:censored:

...In which case that makes me even more angry! >:(
 
People would make a fuss over it if he still hadn't been completely out classed by his team mate.

The 6th was impressive unless you consider his team mate was two laps away from the win.
 
No, he set a half-decent time in Q1.

But who was the Italian Ferrari team member behind the pits, looking worried & chain smoking? I know Ted highlighted him gleefuly pointed him out a couple of times in his Qualifying Notebook. He made the decision not for Kimi to have another run in Q3.:o
 
By the way love the Hungarian race, it one of the races I'd love to goan watch and from Ted's review the beer and food is cheap too, But imagine if you could stand and watch the race from inside turn 4, watching them come towards you then bansai in to that corner.....epic.
 
One if my pet hates is drivers being billed as having a great race when they have recovered from poor self-inflicted qualifying.

Kimi was solid in the race its true but given that the Force India's self destructed, The Mclarens threw themselves out of the race doing a rain dance, Vettel got bulked when the safety car got deployed before losing a whole ton of time with a spin and Bottas got caught by the safety car deployment and mucked up by a very daft Williams tyre strategy you have to say Kimi kind of inherited the advancement up the field.

Don't get me wrong - he did a solid job plugging away to get there but nothing to write home about. Just think where he could have been if he'd put a better time on the board in Q1.
 
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Is it just me or can we detect a weakening in the psychological front? Nico's body language and post race demeanour was understandably downcast but to follow that up with complaints about the safety car? Wha...? Having said that I will need to see a complete transcript of the interview and/or statement. My golden rule as always is to ask "Was the question loaded?"
 
One if my pet hates is drivers being billed as having a great race when they have recovered from poor self-inflicted qualifying.

Kimi was solid in the race its true but given that the Force India's self destructed, The Mclarens threw themselves out of the race doing a rain dance, Vettel got bulked when the safety car got deployed before losing a whole ton of time with a spin and Bottas got caught by the safety car deployment and mucked up by a very daft Williams tyre strategy you have to say Kimi kind of inherited the advancement up the field.

Don't get me wrong - he did a solid job plugging away to get there but nothing to right home about. Just think where he could have been if he'd put a better time on the board in Q1.

And didn't Hamilton profit from those happenings too? I guess that makes his performance far less impressive than so many seem to think, huh?
 
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