Grand Prix 2014 Hungarian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

For the 28th time in a row we come to the Hungaroring for the Hungarian Grand Prix. That actually makes this the 3rd longest serving track on the calendar with Spa taking a break for 2003 and Silverstone not having the British Grand Prix in 1986. So rightfully should be given the ‘classic’ status as an event. It isn’t a phrase used very often for the track though as it greatly divides opinion amongst fans due to the difficult nature if passing on the track. Its often described as Monaco without the walls and whilst to some that is a negative tag for me, as I love Monaco, it’s a compliment. The twisty nature of the dust bowl that is Hungry is a great leveller for car performance or for at least mixing up the running order as due to the place barely having a straight the teams can’t just rely on horsepower to blast their way through. One of the reasons I personally love the track is because a driver who dials himself into the track can really make a difference. If a driver picks their lines spot on and finds the best spots on the tarmac for grip they can arguably get more of a gain at this track than on any other track all season.

Personally I fell in love with the Hungaroring after watching the tense battle of the Boutsen train in 1990. For me that was F1 at its finest as the best in the business at the time put each other under pressure and tried as hard as they can to find a way to the front. Boutsen held on with the defensive drive of his life but Senna came above the rest to take the 2nd spot although he and Berger both got away with basically punting Naninni and Mansell out of the race in moves now that would have the stewards jumping over themselves to slap on massive penalty’s. Speaking of penalty’s it would be amiss of me not to mention what, for me, was the overtake of the season by Grosjean last year that was ‘disallowed’ due to a dubious judgement of track limits.

Overtaking is difficult here but whilst it is not in abundance it is always of high quality as a driver really has to work hard to make it stick. The hard nature of the overtaking does not mean we always have lights to flag victories. This would not be a Hungarian GP review without a mention of Mansell’s win from 12th in 1989. The racing here is never without passion, which leads me to pointing towards Damon Hill’s awesome drive in the Arrows in 97. Its also in recent times been known for first time winners with Alonso, Button and Kovalinen taking debut wins here.

This season the Hungaroring should shake things up a bit by again the Merc advantage with that not able to use that horsepower. We do seem to say that every week now though. If you look at Lewis Hamilton’s form around this track I can’t see it mattering too much and, whilst Rosberg has never had great results round here, Its similarity to Monaco and his form there suggests he won’t be any slouch either. The Red Bull chassie should really come in to play round here and should shuffle them forward meaning Danny Ricciardo might be buzzing around them silver arrows and with Vettel creeping ever closer to him he should be around too. The Williams is continuing to look good with Bottas really seeming to have found another gear and with this being the nearest he has to a home race he could be a factor. I don’t think we should rule out the Mclaren’s too as Jenson Button is another expert around here and KMag comes to one of the few tracks he knows and race around last season. The car seems to be getting better and any sign of a weather mix up and they’ll most likely have to be factored in by the pair at the front.

This race is the last race of the first act of F1 2014 and you have to say its been a good one. We all know that the summer break can change a lot but whatever that may bring everyone will be hoping for a great result at this one. The break is a long time to rue any errors, and in the case of the Merc drivers, it’s a long time to be sitting doing maths in your head at what you need to do to pull a points gap back.

So come on guys hit me with a few predictions as well as thoughts on the Hungaroring.
 
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My golden rule as always is to ask "Was the question loaded?"
Well since Nico said it on a Mercedes video blog and it was released by Mercedes I can only assume that the question wasn't loaded and simply wonder why Mercedes would have released such crass thing for one of their drivers to say...
 
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And didn't Hamilton profit from those happenings too? I guess that makes his performance far less impressive than so many seem to think, huh?

Hamilton was in front of over 50% of those before they went out and he beat his team mate who was on pole from the pitlane 8n a car he'd never driven before rather than being 25 seconds behind a team mate you started only 10 places behind.

Are you really comparing Kimi's performance yesterday to Hamiltons?
 
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Do you really think that that Hamilton could haved acheived what he did if he were in a car approx 1.5 seconds per lap slower that his Merc (a discription of most of the field)?
 
siffert_fan Hamilton didn't cock up his qualifying, Raikkonen did. Hamilton beat his team mate who started 21 places and some distance ahead of him. Raikkonen finished 4 places down on his team-mate who started 11 places ahead of him, Alonso also deserved to start ahead of Raikkonen whereas Hamilton didn't put a foot wrong in qualifying.

Taking car differences aside I just don't see how you can say Raikkonen and Hamilton's performance was anywhere close to similar in Hungary.

The safety card did hurt Rosberg I'll admit, but Hamilton didn't gain a single position from it, P13 before and P13 after.
 
But Hamilton was closer to his team mate after the safety car than he was before even if he didn't gain any positions, he was closer not only in time but also in number of cars between them or is that to be ignored.

Just tellin' it as I see it...
 
So what were the relative positions of Alonso and Kimi before and after the safety car? Just so we can judge whether or not Kimi's race came close to matching Hamilton's since this is the subject at hand..
 
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I don't understand I need positions before and after I'm not sure if the ones you list are before or after also I thought that Lewis was in 13th before and after so how could Kimi be 13th as well?..
 
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So Kimi was in 14th before the safety car as he had just been overtaken by Lewis and after Kimi was in 13th which means that Lewis was in 12th which isn't the position no-FIAt-please said he was in which means Lewis did gain a place which put him yet another car closer to his team mate and then Rosberg lost 2 places and Lewis gained several places over the next couple of laps.

This all adds up to Rosberg having a bad race whilst Alonso had a good race which gives you the difference in gap to their respective team mates so it can be concluded that Kimi's race could indeed be counted on the same level as Hamilton's when you factor in the difference in car performance between the Ferrari and the Merc...

Right I've sorted out that argument then Kimi and Hamilton both had good races relative to their starting positions and Alonso had a better race than Rosberg...
 
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