that 1982 race at Imola wasn't a Villeneuve mistake or a driver error.
The mistake was believing Pironi was going to let him win, which is apparently what Gilles thought was going to happen.
that 1982 race at Imola wasn't a Villeneuve mistake or a driver error.
The mistake was believing Pironi was going to let him win, which is apparently what Gilles thought was going to happen.
The difference between 2010 and 1982 is that there is radio now...
Gilles must have been mad at himself for letting this race fall through his fingers as well. He did go off at one point and hand the lead over to Pironi. (5:23 of my Overtaking Video)...I'm not as connected emotionally with this race and this driver though Ray, so I don't expect you to see things as I do.
Because of the seriously depleted field - Williams, Brabham, McLaren, Lotus, etc weren't at this event - Gilles figured that they were 'putting on a show' for the Tifosi because there weren't that many cars circulating for the Italian fans to see.
I'm 'connected emotionally' to this race and driver? Since i'm new here, who are you connected to, Keke?
I don't believe that for one minute. The Tifosi could not have cared less about the other cars circulating, or how many there were. They were there to see a Ferrari victory, and if they were the only 2 cars left on the circuit, so be it...It's no secret that I'm a Hamilton man these days, and I think my Username/Avatar combo gives away the fact that if I could go back in time and support a driver from days gone by, Keke would be the guy.
So you're saying Gilles wasn't told to save fuel?
Admittedly, I have not seen your video. So, you can understand the duplicity of it all, right? How can you blame Villeneuve for 'losing' the race when they were either marginal on fuel...or Piccicini was favouring Pironi because Pironi had made Piccicini the best man at his wedding.In my video I show the footage of the Pit Board saying "Fuel" and "Slow". I even freeze the image and circle the pit board info so that all the viewers can plainly see what the drivers were being told.
Where may I access your video, Keke? Thanks in advance.
So when do you reckon that Gilles realized he was involved in an actual "race" to the finish. Even if he ran out of fuel he would have finished 3rd.
When do you recon Ferrari changed their age old rules about preserving their 1-2 while well out in the lead...especially when they were "marginal on fuel"...and figured that they should just let them "race" to the finish? When did their agreement/understanding to hold station in such circumstances get blown to oblivion all of a sudden?
That's irrelevant to whether or not Villeneuve realized he wasn't in for a staged finish...but I simply cannot believe that Gilles did not come to the stark realization at some point that Pironi was actually racing him.
I can accept your viewpoint Ray, but just clarify one thing for me. Were they actually racing each other and overtaking legitimately throughout the race, or was it just a "show" for the fans?
You mean following Arnoux's turbo failure?
Gilles was expecting the same No. 1 treatment that he gave Scheckter, but Pironi had other ideas. That much we can agree on.
Why have a save fuel board out if you want your drivers "racing" to the end?
Ray, my buddy, you're not grasping my position. I do not care what the pit boards said. I do not care about what Ferrari might have wanted their drivers to do. All I care about is WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. Pironi was RACING Villeneuve. At some point, I would think Lap 53-58, Gilles MUST have realized this was the case. He took the lead back on Lap 59 and was undoubtedly RACING to the finish.