Bloody hell, I didn't know Ralf was making a comeback.
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Bloody hell, I didn't know Ralf was making a comeback.
It will be someone mediocre so they will be no threat to the blue eyed boy of Red Bull.
I'm kinda hoping it'll be JEV coz I think he has a lot of talent he's not shown and they might put him in thinking he's mediocre and get a shock.
I think Seb would be horrified.
Lewywo4
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Absolutely sushifiesta.......Hulkenberg will not be intimidated at all by Vettel, and could wind up at Lotus, if Raikkonen makes that move towards Red Bull.......I hope that The Hulk only has a one yeae contract with Sauber.
Il_leone
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Kimi is not political and simply does not give a 
who his teammate is
His carefree attitude is what Red Bull needs
Vettel is only contracted for another year at Red Bull so I don't think he can have that much power if the team don't know if he is staying or leaving.
This is where Red Bull need to decide who is the successor to take over as team leader that is why promoting either TR drivers is a sign of the future in team
Red Bull have already stated that the team can;t have Vettel and Hamilton in the same team despite previous attempts even 1 year with those two would create fireworks
who his teammate isHis carefree attitude is what Red Bull needs
Vettel is only contracted for another year at Red Bull so I don't think he can have that much power if the team don't know if he is staying or leaving.
This is where Red Bull need to decide who is the successor to take over as team leader that is why promoting either TR drivers is a sign of the future in team
Red Bull have already stated that the team can;t have Vettel and Hamilton in the same team despite previous attempts even 1 year with those two would create fireworks
Lets hope Seb doesn't go down that route then.
Koffindodger
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Problem with Kimi is that he doesn't do PR well, and Red Bull are full of it.
Problem with Seb, he's untried with a team mate who doesn't give up, lets face it Mark had his chance and couldn't deliver when it mattered, now Kimi................
Problem with Seb, he's untried with a team mate who doesn't give up, lets face it Mark had his chance and couldn't deliver when it mattered, now Kimi................
Welcome to CTA Koffindodger!
You might be right on the Kimi PR front although his lack of PR could end up being the PR by twisting it to a spin on 'just interested in doing the job'.
Can't help feel Seb is on a loser either way with a new team mate. He either gets beaten and everyone goes 'ahhhh he's not that good' or he beats them and everyone goes "weeellllll the team favours him".
You might be right on the Kimi PR front although his lack of PR could end up being the PR by twisting it to a spin on 'just interested in doing the job'.
Can't help feel Seb is on a loser either way with a new team mate. He either gets beaten and everyone goes 'ahhhh he's not that good' or he beats them and everyone goes "weeellllll the team favours him".
Personally I'm not sure Kimi will be up for getting in to a big battle with a team mate and potentially ending up playing second fiddle, but if he does end up at Red Bull it will change my opinion of his mind-set and his motivations for coming back. He's doing a great job at Lotus, don't get me wrong, but I think he just wants to drive without any headaches or politics and I don't think he'd get such a trouble free life at Red Bull.
Koffindodger
Learner
So is Kimi holding all the cards? he says that it would be hard to leave Lotus as it was them that got him back into an F1 car, also, he isn't pushed around (Ferrari - McLaren) however, if as is widely thought Seb has links to Ferrari could that be a decider? Paul DR has options to leave Force India although having 1 year left on his contract they wouldn't stand in his way. Kimi former WDC, Paul an up and coming WDC if he gets the breaks, and both Red Bull and Lotus would seem to be a good move up the ladder, me thinks Paul DR is as interested as us as to the outcome.
Il_leone
World Champion
koffin-dodger
sushifiesta
Loyalty in F1 can be short but there has to be a time when it is right for both team and driver to part although not always easy
Kimi has found his love for F1 again .. I think the politics at Ferrari clearly did not fit his style as Luca noticed.. Lotus is not as political so he was able to show himself with reputation enhanced
As I have see it Lotus can;t compete with the front runners on finance alone and need to spend in the right areas to keep up plus Kimi took a pay cut no doubt to get back into F1 and now he knows he is worth more than Lotus can really offer him... since James Allinson has left their performance has really dropped off and Kimi will be concerned plus the engine situation is not helping either
Kimi has been backed by Red Bull as a personal sponsor and the old Kimi would be the perfect fit for the team with his carefree shut up and drive attitude . That's why he's the Iceman
sushifiesta
Loyalty in F1 can be short but there has to be a time when it is right for both team and driver to part although not always easy
Kimi has found his love for F1 again .. I think the politics at Ferrari clearly did not fit his style as Luca noticed.. Lotus is not as political so he was able to show himself with reputation enhanced
As I have see it Lotus can;t compete with the front runners on finance alone and need to spend in the right areas to keep up plus Kimi took a pay cut no doubt to get back into F1 and now he knows he is worth more than Lotus can really offer him... since James Allinson has left their performance has really dropped off and Kimi will be concerned plus the engine situation is not helping either
Kimi has been backed by Red Bull as a personal sponsor and the old Kimi would be the perfect fit for the team with his carefree shut up and drive attitude . That's why he's the Iceman
Il_leone
World Champion
It seems now following my earlier post Messrs Vettel wants to be consulted over his teammate which is very interesting to see and hear. That would be quite interesting that Vettel wants to stop one of Helmut's other charges being promoted to the same team as him
RasputinLives
Kimi was forced out by Ferrari but then he did demand too high elsewhere to get a drive and got undercut by Button
Like I said I don;t think he would be yelling about the odds stacked against him like Webber does and expects Red Bull to deliver a good car
RasputinLives
Kimi was forced out by Ferrari but then he did demand too high elsewhere to get a drive and got undercut by Button
Like I said I don;t think he would be yelling about the odds stacked against him like Webber does and expects Red Bull to deliver a good car
Il_leone
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RasputinLives
He's carrying Schumacher Mk 2 tag around until he moves to another team and proves he is capable . When Webber does beat him he does get rattled or anxious but lucky for him its not on a consistent basis
He's carrying Schumacher Mk 2 tag around until he moves to another team and proves he is capable . When Webber does beat him he does get rattled or anxious but lucky for him its not on a consistent basis
rufus_mcdufus
Champion Elect
Vettel's contract with RBR has recently been extended 'til the end of 2015.
Il_leone
World Champion
rufus_mcdufus thanks but somehow there is a feeling he will not stay that long because ferrari or Mercedes will go after him
Now this thing about him having a say in his teammate I don't think Di Resta is on Red Bull's shopping list .... definitely one person Seb does not want given he got beaten by Di Resta in Euro F3
Now this thing about him having a say in his teammate I don't think Di Resta is on Red Bull's shopping list .... definitely one person Seb does not want given he got beaten by Di Resta in Euro F3
Interestingly, as a side bar to all of this. This could mean that Massa gets yet another year at Ferrari.
I can't see Vettel wanting anyone in seat two that will be a challenge for him for the next two years. It's going to be one of those contracts where the number 2 guy is told you can win any race you want so long as it's not one that Vettel is still in. The one thing that Webber had to some extent was being at the team before Vettel arrived which gave him even a tiny little bit of push back from time to time. Vettel will surely want to sort out the lines for a new driver coming in, who will be joining his team in more ways than one.
To that end, I can only see it being a less experience driver such as the two TR drivers or perhaps someone from outside F1 (GP2 etc) that may bounce over the lot to land in the car.
I can't see Vettel wanting anyone in seat two that will be a challenge for him for the next two years. It's going to be one of those contracts where the number 2 guy is told you can win any race you want so long as it's not one that Vettel is still in. The one thing that Webber had to some extent was being at the team before Vettel arrived which gave him even a tiny little bit of push back from time to time. Vettel will surely want to sort out the lines for a new driver coming in, who will be joining his team in more ways than one.
To that end, I can only see it being a less experience driver such as the two TR drivers or perhaps someone from outside F1 (GP2 etc) that may bounce over the lot to land in the car.
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