Vettel's next team mate SPECULATIONOMETER
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I don't think Kimi would turn down the seat given the chance. Redbull are in the driving seat here.
Having read the speculation about Alonso's agent being in contact with RBR I have to say I'm somewhat suprised. If true, it means that Alonso is playing a bit of a dangerous game with Ferrari. They are a team that don't take kindly to that sort of behaviour and non party line towing by a driver. Ferrari are bigger than any one driver and Alonso would do well to remember that before finding himself back at Lotus (Renault) on account of saying the wrong thing at the wrong time.
That said, the prospect of an Alonso / Vettel tie up would be eye watering and would rival Senna / Prost in it's likelyhood to be explosive.
That said, the prospect of an Alonso / Vettel tie up would be eye watering and would rival Senna / Prost in it's likelyhood to be explosive.
rufus_mcdufus
Champion Elect
It is unusual to see two top-tier drivers in the same team nowadays and I think that's a shame. It must be the most effective method of maximising both driver and constructors points to have one rockstar driver and one backing up in the rhythm section so to speak. I'm wondering if it's something to do with the points system now or (more likely) whether teams just don't want to take any risks? Would be nice to see a Senna/Prost type pairing again if only for the entertainment value.
I agree, but Alonso is a) in a position of strength and b) in a position of need. He is strong because he is much better than anyone Ferrari could easily get to replace him.
Contract-wise, I would not be surprised if some kind Bosman / Webster clause applies given the contract length and EU laws. According to wikipiedia...
So, this year 2013 will be his third year. If he were a footballer, 3 years into a 6 year contract, he would be able to buy himself out. It might be extraodinarily expensive, but he could, if he really wanted to.
So, why would he want to pay 75m euros (or whatever, it would be a lot) to not drive for Ferrari for the next 3 years?
Fernando must surely be seeing Red Bull's domination continue and himself with a stark choice between retiring rich or retiring as an all time great. In years to come, his two championships (when he was aged 24 and 25) will not be enough.
He has a history of making expensive decisions:
Again, you are probably right, but I'm not sure Alonso will care what Ferrari think of him if he can get himself in next year's Red Bull. I don't think he will give a hoot if Ferrari chuck him out right here, right now just for thinking about it if he could get the drive.
Raikkonen&Redbull=PartyTime
Rookie
As I type I am trying desperately to remain as even-keeled as possible, while at the same time expressing an opinion. Contradiction by definition perhaps, but here goes...
DANIEL RICCIARDO HAS TOO MANY ANONYMOUS RACES WHERE HE DROPS LIKE A STONE AND ENDS UP BEHIND HIS APPARENTLY INFERIOR TEAM-MATE.
Caps-lock attack over. On the basis of his prior two and a half years of racing in F1 I have seen very little that recommends Daniel for a seat in a championship winning team. Yesterday was just another example of how he flatters to deceive; good qualifying, completely forgettable race. Hmm... sounds a lot like Jarno Trulli or Giancarlo Fisichella.
What is it about this guy, apart from the fact that he is a component of the Red Bull programme, that warrants him even being considered for such a seat? In all seriousness, he has done little more than Buemi or Alguersuari managed when they were in that car. In fact, one could argue that Jaime managed more considering he achieved it at a much younger age (out of F1 for 2 years and still only 23 years of age).
Make no mistake, I am not plumbing for Jaime to get a seat at Red Bull, I am merely pointing out that there is very little to distinguish Daniel's racing record from that of Jaime. This extends into a comparison of their junior records. Ricciardo has always been competitive but he hasn't dominated any junior formula series he has been involved in apart from his British Formula Three title; and that championship wasn't exactly teaming with talent.
In fact, you can look at Daniel and not discern any major difference from a number of other junior drivers out there: Antonio Felix da Costa, Marcus Ericsson, Jules Bianchi, Kevin Magnussen, Robert Frijns, etc.... Some of the names I have just mentioned actually do have better junior records.
For me, Daniel is nothing special. If he had come along in the same cohort as Jaime, Buemi probably would not have got a drive at Toro Rosso, Jaime and Daniel would have raced together, both been dropped, and we wouldn't be paying much attention to him.
The very fact that he is being considered so seriously for the Red Bull role boggles my mind, but it does lead me to believe that Red Bull are more interested in moulding a willing young driver into something that can fit into their needs, than purchasing the finished article (Raikkonen) and having potential 'wilful' issues arising from potential driver conflict.
DANIEL RICCIARDO HAS TOO MANY ANONYMOUS RACES WHERE HE DROPS LIKE A STONE AND ENDS UP BEHIND HIS APPARENTLY INFERIOR TEAM-MATE.
Caps-lock attack over. On the basis of his prior two and a half years of racing in F1 I have seen very little that recommends Daniel for a seat in a championship winning team. Yesterday was just another example of how he flatters to deceive; good qualifying, completely forgettable race. Hmm... sounds a lot like Jarno Trulli or Giancarlo Fisichella.
What is it about this guy, apart from the fact that he is a component of the Red Bull programme, that warrants him even being considered for such a seat? In all seriousness, he has done little more than Buemi or Alguersuari managed when they were in that car. In fact, one could argue that Jaime managed more considering he achieved it at a much younger age (out of F1 for 2 years and still only 23 years of age).
Make no mistake, I am not plumbing for Jaime to get a seat at Red Bull, I am merely pointing out that there is very little to distinguish Daniel's racing record from that of Jaime. This extends into a comparison of their junior records. Ricciardo has always been competitive but he hasn't dominated any junior formula series he has been involved in apart from his British Formula Three title; and that championship wasn't exactly teaming with talent.
In fact, you can look at Daniel and not discern any major difference from a number of other junior drivers out there: Antonio Felix da Costa, Marcus Ericsson, Jules Bianchi, Kevin Magnussen, Robert Frijns, etc.... Some of the names I have just mentioned actually do have better junior records.
For me, Daniel is nothing special. If he had come along in the same cohort as Jaime, Buemi probably would not have got a drive at Toro Rosso, Jaime and Daniel would have raced together, both been dropped, and we wouldn't be paying much attention to him.
The very fact that he is being considered so seriously for the Red Bull role boggles my mind, but it does lead me to believe that Red Bull are more interested in moulding a willing young driver into something that can fit into their needs, than purchasing the finished article (Raikkonen) and having potential 'wilful' issues arising from potential driver conflict.
Josh
Champion Elect
I think Ricciardo maybe "overqualifies" the car considering its race pace is worse than their immediate competitors (kind of like Mercedes). Vergne on the other hand seems to qualify the car where it "should be" considering its race pace. Vergne then obviously has free choice of tyres at the start and also more tyres to use during the race which enables him to get in front of Ricciardo. So basically Ricciardo is screwing himself by being faster than Vergne.
If they can get Alonso or Räikkönen then obviously they would be the best choice but considering the way Red Bull likes to set up their car I think Ricciardo would be a better fit than Vergne.
If they can get Alonso or Räikkönen then obviously they would be the best choice but considering the way Red Bull likes to set up their car I think Ricciardo would be a better fit than Vergne.
It looks like something from The Godfather... apart from the red hat. If I was Adrian Newey I'd be fearing for my life... or maybe it's Vettel that needs to be worried 
Il_leone
World Champion
If you read Helmut Marko's comment that Red Bull need a driver who is hard working and willingly put the hard graft for the team in relation to Raikkonen being lazy and then saying the team is gunning for the constructors title not like Ferrari who back Alonso only
Alonso does not fit the Red Bull image of being cool and rebellious. Webber did not tread over the line at Red Bull but Alonso definitely would
If Alonso really wanted to join Red Bull then his manager better speak to Dietrich directly to nullify Helmut's influence
then again i believe ALonso's manager is being a bit mischievous
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Suddenly the Red Bull dithering dithering has become a hot seat... I wonder how many calls Dietrich is getting now about drivers wanting to driver for the F1 team
Alonso does not fit the Red Bull image of being cool and rebellious. Webber did not tread over the line at Red Bull but Alonso definitely would
If Alonso really wanted to join Red Bull then his manager better speak to Dietrich directly to nullify Helmut's influence
then again i believe ALonso's manager is being a bit mischievous
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Suddenly the Red Bull dithering dithering has become a hot seat... I wonder how many calls Dietrich is getting now about drivers wanting to driver for the F1 team
Il_leone
World Champion
Raikkonen&Redbull=PartyTime
- Ricciardo record British F3 champion and Formula Renualt 2.0 winner
In terms of 1 lap speed apparently the closest to Vettel but I agree his high qualifying is not transcended in races usually by poor starts and he seems to go backwards
- Ricciardo record British F3 champion and Formula Renualt 2.0 winner
In terms of 1 lap speed apparently the closest to Vettel but I agree his high qualifying is not transcended in races usually by poor starts and he seems to go backwards
soccerman17
Race Winner
Vettel will have his hands full if it is either Alonso or Kimi. Both will refuse to play second fiddle. Also I feel Alonso would be smart to stay, Ferrari have massive resources with these new regs, and according to Taki Inoue (best source) Red Bull are in financial trouble.
I find it hard to believe that the team and or company is in trouble. I can imagine that the team is running at a heavy loss but seeing as its a promotional outfit for the drinks company I'm sure that loss is built into the advertising budget for the parent company.
With 3 constructors in a row and healthy sponsor backing, if Redbull are in financial trouble then everyone else must be. At the very worst, I would expect them to break even with their F1 operations.
Got beat by Vergne in World Series though didn't he.
I'm fed up with drivers being declared brilliant on qualifying performances. The race is the imporant thing.
soccerman17
Race Winner
Guys there's a reason I listed my source for Red Bull being in financial trouble as it was Taki Inoue's twitter account. You can't really take it too seriously. Big if true, but probably not true.
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