Poll The Worst Year or Era of F1 Dominance

[F1Brits_90]

also i have been calculating round 16's under the current points system & some are quite fascinating. mainly Mansell only 20 pts shy of mclaren in 1988 despite retiring from 3 of the last 4 races. & in constructors a strange 1 where 2002 was seemingly the most dominant driver year but 2004 was the most dominant car year

Drivers

1988	1992	1995	2002	2004	2009	2011	2013	2014	2016	2020	2022
Prost 308	Mansell 285	Schumacher 276	Schumacher 361	Schumacher 344	Button 226	Vettel 351	Vettel 328	Hamilton 297	Rosberg 294	Hamilton 332	Verstappen 335
Senna 277	Schumacher 183	Hill 173	Barrichello 210	Barrichello 259	Vettel 183	Button 225	Alonso 208	Rosberg 279	Hamilton 264	Bottas 205	Leclerc 219
Berger 148	Patrese 180	Herbert 167	Montoya 168	Button 191	Barrichello 181	Webber 214	Raikkonen185	Riccardo 199	Riccardo 208	Verstappen 189	Perez 210
Boutsen129	Berger 159	Coulthard 155	Coulthard 159	Alonso 124	Webber 154	Alonso 213	Hamilton 170	Bottas 146	Raikkonen 161	Perez 125	Russell 203
Piquet 97	Senna 151	Alesi 137	R Schumacher 157	Trulli 117	Raikkonen 124	Hamilton 199	Webber 152	Vettel 144	Vettel 153	Riccardo 112	Sainz 187

Constuctors

1988	1992	1995	2002	2004	2009	2011	2013	2014	2016	2020	2022
McLaren 585	Williams 465	Benetton 443	Ferrari 571	Ferrari 603	Brawn 407	Red Bull 565	Red Bull 480	Mercedes 576	Mercedes 562	Mercedes 540	Red Bull 545
Ferrari 241	Benetton 329	Williams 328	Williams 322	BAR 260	Red Bull 337	McLaren 424	Mercedes 314	Red Bull 343	Red Bull 362	Red Bull 282	Ferrari 406
Benetton 193	Mclaren 310	Ferrari 260	McLaren 232	Renault 241	Ferrari 184	Ferrari 313	Ferrari 310	Williams 217	Ferrari 314	Racing Point 209	Mercedes 371

 

[siffert_fan]

The simplest way of determining the dominance of a car/team is looking at the number of times a team's drivers finished first and second in the championship. In the Ferrari era, their drivers finished first and second twice. In the Red Bull era, They never finished 1-2. In the Mercedes era, their drivers finished first and second in the championship five times.

 

[cider_and_toast]

In the Red Bull era, They never finished 1-2

I know you are no fan of Hamilton / Mercedes but that's simply not true unless you are only talking about 2021 which in no way can be described as Red Bull domination. Mercedes won the constructors title and Verstappen only won the drivers title thanks to "Human error."

Red Bull won 4 consecutive constructors titles between 2010 and 2013. During this period Webber and Vettel finished 1-2 on twelve occasions.

This season alone Perez and Verstappen have finished 1-2 on 4 occasions.

 

[Brogan]

I believe he means in the WDC.

Perhaps it's just because Rosberg and Bottas were better drivers than the second drivers for Ferrari and Red Bull and were actually allowed to race their team mate.

 

[siffert_fan]

I know you are no fan of Hamilton / Mercedes but that's simply not true unless you are only talking about 2021 which in no way can be described as Red Bull domination. Mercedes won the constructors title and Verstappen only won the drivers title thanks to "Human error."

Red Bull won 4 consecutive constructors titles between 2010 and 2013. During this period Webber and Vettel finished 1-2 on twelve occasions.

This season alone Perez and Verstappen have finished 1-2 on 4 occasions.

In the four years Vetteltook the WDC, Webber never finished higher than third in the championship.

 

[siffert_fan]

I believe he means in the WDC.

Perhaps it's just because Rosberg and Bottas were better drivers than the second drivers for Ferrari and Red Bull and were actually allowed to race their team mate.

I would agree that Rosberg was certainly better than Webber and Barrichello. I can't say the same about Bottas. IMO he is at best the sixth bet driver in the field.

The point is, IMO, ever since Bernie brought manufacturers in to the championship, the driver has played a much smaller part in the outcome. The disparity in car performance throughout the field is vastly different than in days of yore.

 

[cider_and_toast]

In the four years Vetteltook the WDC, Webber never finished higher than third in the championship.

Oh, it wasn't clear. I thought you meant 1-2 in the race.

Then I guess it comes down to were Rosberg and Bottas better drivers than Webber? I'd say they were.

 

[Il_leone]

When the car was closer to his liking Webber was close to Vettel . Sometimes ahead but when it was towards Vettel he was miles behind.

 

[Il_leone]

Oh, it wasn't clear. I thought you meant 1-2 in the race.

Then I guess it comes down to were Rosberg and Bottas better drivers than Webber? I'd say they were.

As in more complete driver than Webber I would agree

 

[F1Brits_90]

The point is, IMO, ever since Bernie brought manufacturers in to the championship, the driver has played a much smaller part in the outcome. The disparity in car performance throughout the field is vastly different than in days of

i sort of agree because in 90s you could be in 4th 5th 6th team in constructors could stand on the podium & even win races. but now unless your top 3 you wont get on the podium

but if you take qualifying from hungary 1998.
- Frentzen was 2 seconds off in 7th & back row of the grid,
- 1 of them was 4.75 seconds off, other didnt make 107%
- Latifi in comparison slowest qualifier was only 2.2 seconds off Russell

 

[Il_leone]

i sort of agree because in 90s you could be in 4th 5th 6th team in constructors could stand on the podium & even win races. but now unless your top 3 you wont get on the podium

but if you take qualifying from hungary 1998.
- Frentzen was 2 seconds off in 7th & back row of the grid,
- 1 of them was 4.75 seconds off, other didnt make 107%
- Latifi in comparison slowest qualifier was only 2.2 seconds off Russell

I remember in the 90s we had teams with drivers 10 seconds slower than the fastest . Deletraz waz infamous for qualifying slower than F3000 cars
That was down largely to teams testing on track endless. The main problem is we still have a situation where the leading teams have the biggest influence on the rules