Poll Whose F1 careers should end at the end of 2022?

Whose F1 careers should end at the end of 2022?

  • Max Verstappen

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • Sergio Perez

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • Lewis Hamilton

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • George Russell

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charles Leclerc

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • Carlos Sainz

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • Daniel Ricciardo

    Votes: 10 62.5%
  • Lando Norris

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Fernando Alonso

    Votes: 10 62.5%
  • Esteban Ocon

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • Yuki Tsunoda

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • Pierre Gasly

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • Lance Stroll

    Votes: 5 31.3%
  • Sebastian Vettel

    Votes: 10 62.5%
  • Zhou Guanyu

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • Valtteri Bottas

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • Mick Schumacher

    Votes: 4 25.0%
  • Kevin Magnussen

    Votes: 4 25.0%
  • Nicolas Latifi

    Votes: 15 93.8%
  • Alex Albon

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • Total voters
    16

F1Brits_90

Champion Elect
Riccardio it is very worrying where has his talent gone because we when he was at red bull he was 1 of the best drivers on the grid.
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
Staff Member
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Riccardio it is very worrying where has his talent gone because we when he was at red bull he was 1 of the best drivers on the grid.
A driver is only as good as the performance he can extract from the car. He clearly can't get his head around the McLaren.
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
Staff Member
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Then how would you describe Hamilton's situation at Mercedes?
He can't get the performance he wants from the car. Simples.

He's had years with a car that has had evolutions of the same engine and aero package. He now has a completely revised aero package to deal with.

Older drivers always lose some of their edge, that's a given. Russell is more able to drive around some of the issues and take slightly more risks.

Hamilton is still an incredibly good driver but he's in the twilight of his career. I think we can all accept that
 

Il_leone

World Champion
I can acc
He can't get the performance he wants from the car. Simples.

He's had years with a car that has had evolutions of the same engine and aero package. He now has a completely revised aero package to deal with.

Older drivers always lose some of their edge, that's a given. Russell is more able to drive around some of the issues and take slightly more risks.

Hamilton is still an incredibly good driver but he's in the twilight of his career. I think we can all accept that
I can accept Hamilton is going to have to drive like Prost a bit more .

The argument he has had a dominant car so it was all too easy for him
 

F1Brits_90

Champion Elect
Hamilton is still an incredibly good driver but he's in the twilight of his career. I think we can all accept that
if anyone was in doubt about hamilton that spanish GP drive silenced alot, the drive of the season so far. in the 3rd best car on the grid to get what shouldve been 4th beating the ferrari from where he qualified was a great result but do it from last was incredible

but he isnt at his best, but you expect that, in his 15th year & he's the 2nd oldest driver of the grid, 10th oldest world champion still racing since 1976 . interestingly he is older than Button, Alesi, Webber, Lauda, Massa & only a year younger than Prost

but on a sidenote, something that surprised me by Hungarian GP Riccardio will be older than Mika Hakkinen was when he retired. is riccardio past his best or did Hakkinen retire really prematurely

The argument he has had a dominant car so it was all too easy for him
you only have to look at what bottas did in that car, to see it wasnt as dominant as is made out
 
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cider_and_toast

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The argument he has had a dominant car so it was all too easy for him
I don't say that though. That's why I say a driver is only as good as his ability to extract the best performance from his car.

If it was purely about car dominance than every single world champions teammate should be second in the championship.
 

Il_leone

World Champion
if anyone was in doubt about hamilton that spanish GP drive silenced alot, the drive of the season so far. in the 3rd best car on the grid to get what shouldve been 4th beating the ferrari from where he qualified was a great result but do it from last was incredible

but he isnt at his best, but you expect that, in his 15th year & he's the 2nd oldest driver of the grid, 10th oldest world champion still racing since 1976 . interestingly he is older than Button, Alesi, Webber, Lauda, Massa & only a year younger than Prost

but on a sidenote, something that surprised me by Hungarian GP Riccardio will be older than Mika Hakkinen was when he retired. is riccardio past his best or did Hakkinen retire really prematurely


you only have to look at what bottas did in that car, to see it wasnt as dominant as is made out
Hakkinen retried too early for sure but his motivation waned after 3 exhausting years 1998-2000 taking on Schumacher. The practice crash really took it out of him in Melbourne 2001. Strangely it was right time because Mclaren went downhill after he left so it was good move for him. If he had been in the Williams maybe they would have had more success with BMW power
 

Il_leone

World Champion
I don't say that though. That's why I say a driver is only as good as his ability to extract the best performance from his car.

If it was purely about car dominance than every single world champions teammate should be second in the championship.
that is a rational assessment apart from the usual he's had the best and dominant car for the last 7 years
 

Il_leone

World Champion
A driver is only as good as the performance he can extract from the car. He clearly can't get his head around the McLaren.
the new regs haven't helped him and he's trying to undo the driving style he had at Red Bull including his incredible braking abilities . He is not justifying his hefty salary
 

P1

Race Winner
Contributor
I'm surprised no one has voted for Max Verstappen. I think F1 needs to get back to real racing, and part of that requires ending the career of a fake world champion.
 

Il_leone

World Champion

This article is brutal and it brings me back to when Horner said Ricciardo made a mistake leaving them pre season which was like a kick in the balls

So to be fair he was being brutally honest but then I think Verstappen would not have been world champion in 2021
 

F1Brits_90

Champion Elect
as much there are quite a few people who have to take the blame for the fiasco of the season finale all well discussed. but verstappen isnt 1 of them he picked through the carnage of the final laps

no matter what we think of his character his talent is unquestionable
 

Il_leone

World Champion
I'm surprised no one has voted for Max Verstappen. I think F1 needs to get back to real racing, and part of that requires ending the career of a fake world champion.
With his Dad around that wont happen because his Dad failed to live his dreams and that was largely because of Schumacher which he saw whilst he was at Benetton and never got the career breaks after that. If Max Verstappen did retire it would be akin to Flo-Jo retiring at the top - a champion with questionable credibility

Verstappen can only get rid of that if he wins more titles in less controversial circumstances
 

siffert_fan

Too old to watch the Asian races live.
Contributor
I don't say that though. That's why I say a driver is only as good as his ability to extract the best performance from his car.

If it was purely about car dominance than every single world champions teammate should be second in the championship.

That presupposes that the teammate is also a first tier driver. A more accurate assessment can be done by looking what the second drivers achive when they are not in a dominant team. Look at Barrichello. Watch Bottas. Rubens only did well when the team was dominating (Ferrari with Schumacher and Brawn with Button). On his own he wasn't impressive. Bottas isn't exactly dazzling this season.
 

cider_and_toast

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Rubens only did well when the team was dominating
Eh?

Until he found himself in a Ferrari with a "do not race your teammate" contract he'd never finished second to any of his teammates over a season.

He was brilliant in 94 for Jordan and for Stewart in 99. At Wlliams in 2010, saddled with that god awful customer Cosworth engine, he scored almost twice as many points as Nico Hulkenberg, the then reigning GP2 Champion.

If you need any more proof, at Donnington in 1993, while everyone rightly talks about Senna's opening lap, few people talk about how Barrichello did better. Starting 12th on the grid by the end of lap 1 he was fourth, having passed Schumahcer and with only Senna, Hill and Prost infront of him.

That presupposes that the teammate is also a first tier driver.
But that's my very point isn't it? What makes a someone a second tier driver? Someone who can't extract the maximum performance from the car.
 
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