Head To Head Sebastian Vettel vs Daniel Ricciardo

[RasputinLives]

He's still way way ahead on the reliability and strategy stakes.

 

[Mephistopheles]

And Vettel DNF'd that DSQ so that cancels it out in the comparison stats but even if he didn't DNF he would have been DSQ'd anyway, also RedBull said they would not have been able to run at the pace that got him on the podium if they had followed the TD as they were told to by the FIA.

And I bought a new office chair today..

 

[siffert_fan]

siffert_fan
What about Ricciardo getting a botched pit stop which cost him some points and a DQ not of his own fault ?

The key to that statement is "A" botched pit stop. That means "one" in anybody's language. Which would you rather have, one messed up pit stop or 3 DNFs?

 

[Il_leone]

siffert_fan Ricciardo got no points from that botched pit stop which actually lead to his retirement later and he was not going to recover anyway because he lost over a lap and a DQ

so that is essentially 2 DNFs for Daniel

 

[RasputinLives]

So one less than Vettel then. Not to mention Vettels mechanical issue in quali for Spain and his numerous other issues thst gave him far less time in the car. For instance Ricciardo got a full race distance in the car at Australia on the Sunday where as Vettel got about a lap.

Ricciardo is doing a great job verses Vettel. No one needs to distort it by presenting defence cases when not needed. Vettel has had the lions share of the issues all season. This is a statement of fact and doesnot take away from the great job Ricciardo is doing.

 

[teabagyokel]

Vettel has had all the issues, but also been beaten in a straight fight more often than not.

And at least his retirements have all been very early, so he beat the traffic out of the track...

 

[Jen]

Whenever one team mate is getting the car home in one piece and the other is 'suffering' endless DNFs, one has to ask why.

 

[Kewee]

I would normally ask why Jen but in Red Bulls case I struggle to believe the team would favour an Aussie over their "ex" German golden boy regardless of how good their new Aussie is.

 

[Jen]

I wasn't thinking of favouritism. More ability to make an unknown work in one's favour!

 

[Kewee]

Jen......Ricciardo's definitely appearing to do just that. Maybe he works better than Vettel with a more traditional car set up. Vettel may need a little more assistance from the car (technology). He certainly seems to be having problems not having the rear glued to the track as has been he case during the last few years.

 

[RasputinLives]

Yeah he's spun loads. All of once.

Its funny how Mark Webbers mechanical issues were Red Bull favouring Vettel and Vettels are him being a car breaker.

 

[teabagyokel]

Its funny how Mark Webbers mechanical issues were Red Bull favouring Vettel and Vettels are him being a car breaker.

Especially considering that only one of the two of them has a history of mechanical failures.

Vettel did not have a rear "glued to the track" at the 2008 Italian Grand Prix in a Toro Rosso in the rain, or in China in the RB5 in the rain the next year. Or at Malaysia in 2014 when he got onto the podium. Don't start ruling him out yet.

 

[Shogun]

Just because I can't remember it doesn't mean it didn't happen but still I could never imagine Vettel a multiple world champion accepting a number two role...

Better to be a #2 at Red Bull than to be the #1 at some 2nd tier team.

 

[Jen]

Dear God, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right - that's all one hears on this forum!

 

[RasputinLives]

Jen are you just reading your own posts?

 

[cider_and_toast]

Ouch !! Hey up people, you know what they say, opinions are like bottoms (polite version) everyone's got one, some stink, and some, like mine, are well formed and amazing to look at.

We're all chums here.

 

[Jen]

Jen are you just reading your own posts?

No, yours

 

[RasputinLives]

I think you're reading them wrong then as I just pointed out too conflicting things people said.

I offered no opinion.

 

[Kewee]

teabagyokel ...... I'm happy with my glued to the track comment. Your mention of two wet races, very wet in the case of Monza, you should also acknowledge rain is a great leveller of driver talent and technology. At Monza the driver on pole, in this case Vettel, had a huge advantage. All he needed was a good start then stay conservative so he stayed on track. Of course he's a very good wet weather driver but with a clear view in front and the rest of the field lost in each others spray no one was going to get close, let alone challenge him.

 

[teabagyokel]

Good job someone else qualified it on pole for him then.