Pirelli 2013 F1 tyre range
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sobriety
Race Winner
MY problem with the tyres is that while commentators are saying that having to nurse the tyres is like having to nurse engines/gearboxes/suspension/everything back in the old days is that it's not. Nursing your equipment back then was becasue it was at the very cutting edge of development and *may* not last the whole race if you hammer it. Nursing your tyres because someone has designed them to fall apart is quite different, in my opinion.
I'm hoping that the changes make it a bit more sensible. The solution is to let the teams push the limits mechanically again, so that you have a return of the random, yet regular failure.
I'm hoping that the changes make it a bit more sensible. The solution is to let the teams push the limits mechanically again, so that you have a return of the random, yet regular failure.
Then will there be racing without tyres? Who would take their place?
Well, the deadline to let the teams know what next years tyres are going to be is 1st September, so anyone who takes over will need to work fast. Dare I say it, anyone taking over now would be hard pushed to provide a suitable tyre at all, unless they ask Bridgestone to dig out the old designs.
there are 3 months before the tyre specification for next season needs to be communicated to the teams, I am not sure that would be enough to do a thorough job, unless Pirelli were willing to share info.
However good the tyre manufacturer is, I think that next years tyres would be poor.
However good the tyre manufacturer is, I think that next years tyres would be poor.
I feel bad for Pirelli. They have been given a tough task. Having to make your product not just fail but fail in a prescribed but random manner. They're reputation as a road car tyre manufacturer has been damaged because of the F1 fiasco. I think they deserve another chance but the specification for next years tyres has to chance. With new engines and recovery systems in all cars there is plenty of scope for things to go wrong, let 2014 not be another year we moan about the tyres too.
I agree F1Yorkshire. I have been one of the biggest critics of this year's F1 tyres, but my displeasure has been aimed more at the specification than at Pirelli themselves. I have used their road tyres on my own car for a few years and I don't have a problem with that; but I can see how their public image might have been dented.
I can also see how Pirelli might not want to put up with much more of the aggro they've been getting.
I can also see how Pirelli might not want to put up with much more of the aggro they've been getting.
So the new Pirelli's will only be "tested" in Canada. Could this be a way of pacifying the whinging hordes? Or a precursor to what JB presumes will be a "slap on the wrist" for Mercedes? Either way I think this announcement speaks volumes.
Fenderman
Rooters Reporter
It's a shame that Hembery and Pirelli haven't learned the golden rule in F1 PR. Be straight and up front or go from PR boob to PR boob. Perhaps if they had paid a bit more attention to the voices that have been in the wind for the past 18 months they might have got it right much earlier and saved a lot of grief.
The track conditions in the pre-2013-season tests were quite possibly not consistent enough for long enough periods to expose the tyre problems that have dogged this season. Whether or not Pirelli thought something else behind closed doors, their initial public response to the emerging complaints was "this is what we were asked to produce". Although that was true it started the snowball rolling. At the very least their statements have lagged behind events and at times have seemed contradictory or backtracking. It doesn't help that there appears to be a disconnect on an organisational level with regard to communications and co-operation between Pirelli, the FIA and the teams. It seems each "faction" goes off and does its own thing until the shit hits the fan and then it's another blooming blame game instead of working together to resolve the problems.
F1 sometimes reminds me of the UK Parliament where there's the governing body setting out the policy and then arguing the toss with the other parties to push it through regardless. Just like our politicians the only time they pull together and work with common purpose is when war breaks out! One wonders that if there had been some more effective collaboration at a much earlier stage the apparent wishy washy indecision may have been avoided. As I said in an earlier post, even before I knew any of the test-gate facts, the FIA should have led the way and, with Pirelli, planned the test in Spain, along with other remedial action, as soon as it was clear that there were other issues with the tyres not just with the "designed in wear and degradation".
As my strapline said before doubt entered my head "I don't blame Pirelli ", but now I kind of do since they have a duty of care to ensure that their product is safe. Relatively speaking one could say that the tyres are safe but they're not as safe as they could or should be. Regardless of how one feels about the "designing for the show" issue, the safety aspect surely has to be the main focus of attention. A delamination at racing speeds through the complex of curves that claimed Kubica's Sauber BMW in Canada 2007 doesn't bear thinking about.
I'm not actually bothered if one or other team suddenly finds that they've lost an advantage. I just hope the guys get through the next GP unscathed and that a remedy is in for Silverstone, and that as a bonus it gives as level a contact patch as is possible in the circumstances.
The track conditions in the pre-2013-season tests were quite possibly not consistent enough for long enough periods to expose the tyre problems that have dogged this season. Whether or not Pirelli thought something else behind closed doors, their initial public response to the emerging complaints was "this is what we were asked to produce". Although that was true it started the snowball rolling. At the very least their statements have lagged behind events and at times have seemed contradictory or backtracking. It doesn't help that there appears to be a disconnect on an organisational level with regard to communications and co-operation between Pirelli, the FIA and the teams. It seems each "faction" goes off and does its own thing until the shit hits the fan and then it's another blooming blame game instead of working together to resolve the problems.
F1 sometimes reminds me of the UK Parliament where there's the governing body setting out the policy and then arguing the toss with the other parties to push it through regardless. Just like our politicians the only time they pull together and work with common purpose is when war breaks out! One wonders that if there had been some more effective collaboration at a much earlier stage the apparent wishy washy indecision may have been avoided. As I said in an earlier post, even before I knew any of the test-gate facts, the FIA should have led the way and, with Pirelli, planned the test in Spain, along with other remedial action, as soon as it was clear that there were other issues with the tyres not just with the "designed in wear and degradation".
As my strapline said before doubt entered my head "I don't blame Pirelli ", but now I kind of do since they have a duty of care to ensure that their product is safe. Relatively speaking one could say that the tyres are safe but they're not as safe as they could or should be. Regardless of how one feels about the "designing for the show" issue, the safety aspect surely has to be the main focus of attention. A delamination at racing speeds through the complex of curves that claimed Kubica's Sauber BMW in Canada 2007 doesn't bear thinking about.
I'm not actually bothered if one or other team suddenly finds that they've lost an advantage. I just hope the guys get through the next GP unscathed and that a remedy is in for Silverstone, and that as a bonus it gives as level a contact patch as is possible in the circumstances.
Blog Zbod
Podium Finisher
Hankook have dismissed speculation they will be F1's 2014 tyre supplier. Which comes as a body-blow to Bernie, who had been cultivating a relationship with the Koreans since 2010 with the specific intent to have them become an F1 supplier (in an effort to boost F1's penetration into Asia). Until then, in fact, Hankook had no racing program whatsoever, but they took the hint, began one and got involved in DTM, all to build an experience base for that future foray into F1.
But now Hankook are claiming there is far too little time before the start of the 2014 pre-season to produce a tyre to meet the task (more's the pity Pirelli did not show the same level of professional restraint in 2010). As is, and in no small part because Bernie is such an endearing business partner, Pirelli appear to be the only possible supplier for 2014.
Of course the Koreans might also be adopting the diffident posture because they have used the past three years to familiarise themselves with Bernie's business practices. When he first approached Hankook, I doubt they knew him from Adam's house cat. But by now they surely must be aware exactly what sort of serpent he is, and they simply don't fancy getting bit, not even for a slice of the F1 glamour. But they know Bernie can't live forever, and they're willing to wait.
But now Hankook are claiming there is far too little time before the start of the 2014 pre-season to produce a tyre to meet the task (more's the pity Pirelli did not show the same level of professional restraint in 2010). As is, and in no small part because Bernie is such an endearing business partner, Pirelli appear to be the only possible supplier for 2014.
Of course the Koreans might also be adopting the diffident posture because they have used the past three years to familiarise themselves with Bernie's business practices. When he first approached Hankook, I doubt they knew him from Adam's house cat. But by now they surely must be aware exactly what sort of serpent he is, and they simply don't fancy getting bit, not even for a slice of the F1 glamour. But they know Bernie can't live forever, and they're willing to wait.
racecub
Champion Elect
So what happens if Pirelli get fed up of being made a scapegoat for the FIA's I'll advised and failed attempts to orchestrate F1 races? Hankook won't be there next year, Bridgestone aren't interested and I doubt very much Michelin will be interested? What will go on the wheels next year?
Josh
Champion Elect
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