F1Brits_90
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forgot about this yesterday. is mansell responsible for popularity in F1. as im assuming without any competive british driver for decade between hunt & mansell 1st attempt. the popularity dipped
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F1Brits_90
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still dont think ive been as stressed watching F1 as i was watching this it was an absolute rollercoaster, i remember his dad left as he couldnt take & paced about in the back of the garage in blissful ignorance for the final 5 laps. when vettel overtook for 5th i was certain it was all over so down & then when i realised glock wasnt being lapped & it was for position. it was immense joy & F1 at its best
although i still cant watch that final lap without being stressed
although i still cant watch that final lap without being stressed
F1Brits_90
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One of the hardest chargers and most entertaining drivers ever, passed away today in 1982. Salut Gillies.
Il_leone
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Would love this guy racing Verstappen and show him what a real racer is
F1Brits_90
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16 yrs ago today
I was so glad when the U.S. GP moved to COTA and found a permanent home there. U.S. F1 fans finally had a proper, world class circuit that was genuinely worthy of hosting a F1 race where the cars were unbridled and could display the full range of their awesome capabilities. Prior to this during the more modern era of F1 (basically, from the 1980’s) the U.S. GP was continually moving from one venue to another. All of these, including the sites of other U.S. F1 races, were held on restrictive street circuits, with two exceptions: the absurd car park circuit at Caesar’s Palace and the Mickey Mouse circuit that was shoe-horned into the inside section of the large oval track at Indianapolis. I attended races at all of those venues: Long Beach, Caesar’s Palace, Dallas, Detroit, Phoenix and Indianapolis. While it was great to see the cars and drivers, I was always left longing to see what the cars were truly fully capable of. All of those circuits constrained the cars from fully unleashing themselves. When I attended the 2014 GP at COTA I was so thrilled with finally getting to see F1 cars completely unbridled and able to show their full capabilities. The circuit has it all: a good range of fast, slow and combination corners, a long straight, notable elevation changes, and a fast series of esses where the cars can really show off their nimbleness. It’s a circuit that challenges the drivers and produces good racing because overtaking is readily possible. I think the other two current U.S. venues are better than the ones noted above but neither comes anywhere close to COTA.
The only thing that I didn’t like about my experience at COTA had nothing to do with the racing. At all of the other venues noted above where I attended F1 races (and including Montreal) the race fans were allowed to bring their own food and drinks (in Montreal in particular, fans would enter the circuit with large coolers so they could picnic with their family during the long day at the circuit). COTA didn’t allow this and I had to empty my water bottle and dump my food before I was allowed to enter the circuit. I found this to be a BS policy, especially given how much fans pay in order to attend the race weekend. This was an obvious attempt to force fans to buy from their circuit concessions, at which they charged obscene prices. When spending a long day at a race circuit I prefer to have the food and beverages that I like and not have to settle for whatever happens to be available at the circuit. Nor do I like having to make my way to a concession stand whenever I'm thirsty or want a snack (and especially not during the race or a practice or qualifying session), particularly if doing so means having to abandon a good viewing spot. I haven’t attended a race there since 2014 so I don’t know if that policy is still in effect. I’m curious, for those of you who attend races outside of the U.S., do any of those circuits restrict the fans from bringing in their own food and drinks? And for those who have attended recent races in Montreal, do they still allow this?
The only thing that I didn’t like about my experience at COTA had nothing to do with the racing. At all of the other venues noted above where I attended F1 races (and including Montreal) the race fans were allowed to bring their own food and drinks (in Montreal in particular, fans would enter the circuit with large coolers so they could picnic with their family during the long day at the circuit). COTA didn’t allow this and I had to empty my water bottle and dump my food before I was allowed to enter the circuit. I found this to be a BS policy, especially given how much fans pay in order to attend the race weekend. This was an obvious attempt to force fans to buy from their circuit concessions, at which they charged obscene prices. When spending a long day at a race circuit I prefer to have the food and beverages that I like and not have to settle for whatever happens to be available at the circuit. Nor do I like having to make my way to a concession stand whenever I'm thirsty or want a snack (and especially not during the race or a practice or qualifying session), particularly if doing so means having to abandon a good viewing spot. I haven’t attended a race there since 2014 so I don’t know if that policy is still in effect. I’m curious, for those of you who attend races outside of the U.S., do any of those circuits restrict the fans from bringing in their own food and drinks? And for those who have attended recent races in Montreal, do they still allow this?
Unfortunately I think this now common at nearly all circuits. In the last few years I've been to Germany, Italy and Le Mans, and at each of these you cannot bring in your own food and drink. Italy went one stage further and wouldn't allow you to bring in your own power bank to make sure your phone had charge as they had a concession who would rent you them for the day.
The problem for most of the F1 circuits is the amount of money they have to pay Liberty Media. Because of this they have to squeeze every penny from every other revenue source to try and just break even, unless their government is throwing vast sums at the race, such as in Singapore and the Arab races.
The problem for most of the F1 circuits is the amount of money they have to pay Liberty Media. Because of this they have to squeeze every penny from every other revenue source to try and just break even, unless their government is throwing vast sums at the race, such as in Singapore and the Arab races.
FB—Thanks for the info. regarding those other race venues. It sucks that because of greed they’ve taken away yet another thing from the fans that allowed them to more fully enjoy the race weekend.
This bring up the subject of fan experience in general. As someone who has attended over a dozen races in the U.S. and Montreal, when watching the races on TV I always wonder what the experience would be like actually attending the races at those other venues around the world. For example, what’s it like to actually see a F1 car rocketing through the Eau Rouge—Raidillon complex in person at Spa (TV just doesn’t do this spectacle proper justice)? And I love the many imaginative, creative hats and costumes that fans at Suzuka create (of which we only get a sampling on the race telecast). Viewing all of these while walking about at the circuit must add an extra element of fun to the weekend’s experience. I’d enjoy reading about interesting and special experiences that patrons of this web site have had while attending races at the various venues so please share. I’ll start by relating one here.
I was living in the Phoenix-metro area during the three years that the F1 races were held there (1989-91). I was so excited when the announcement was made! This was the first time that F1 would be coming to me instead of me having to go to F1. I took extra advantage of this by going out to the circuit on the days when the teams arrived and watching them unload and set up their pit areas. It was while doing so prior to the 1990 race that something pretty cool and memorable took place. At the time, I was standing in front of the Brabham garage watching the crew preparing their cars for the race weekend (surprisingly, there were no security people around to chase out the few fans who were in the pit area watching the proceedings, not in any of those three years). Stefano Modena was standing near me at the front of the garage, also watching the crew work on his car. While I was standing there I heard someone pull up and stop right behind me on a small bicycle and begin chatting with Modena. Before I even turned around to see who it was I had recognized the voice…it was Senna! I would love to have talked to him but I have always viewed F1 drivers and any other celebrity as just being human and deserving of normal courtesies. So, as a normal courtesy I didn’t interrupt their conversation and rudely bother them. I just stood there and listened. It was just typical, friendly banter between two people, little of it having to do with racing; just “shooting the breeze” as the old saying goes. After a while they finished their conversation and Senna moved on down the pit lane, stopping to visit other garages and pleasantly chatting with other people. What particularly struck me about this is that it was such a normal, simple “human” episode, a reminder that these drivers are merely regular humans who just happen to have an uncanny ability to handle a fire breathing monster of a race car. With no need to be wearing their driving suits (there was no on track activity) they were very casually dressed and just engaged in the same kind of idle, pleasant talk that any of us engage in. It was the kind of episode that I wish every F1 fan could experience, especially those who engage in an irrational level of hero worship and hold unfair, unrealistic expectations of the drivers. This incident has always stuck with me and it was the memory of this simple human encounter that kept popping into my mind on that horrible, tragic day when Senna lost his life.
This bring up the subject of fan experience in general. As someone who has attended over a dozen races in the U.S. and Montreal, when watching the races on TV I always wonder what the experience would be like actually attending the races at those other venues around the world. For example, what’s it like to actually see a F1 car rocketing through the Eau Rouge—Raidillon complex in person at Spa (TV just doesn’t do this spectacle proper justice)? And I love the many imaginative, creative hats and costumes that fans at Suzuka create (of which we only get a sampling on the race telecast). Viewing all of these while walking about at the circuit must add an extra element of fun to the weekend’s experience. I’d enjoy reading about interesting and special experiences that patrons of this web site have had while attending races at the various venues so please share. I’ll start by relating one here.
I was living in the Phoenix-metro area during the three years that the F1 races were held there (1989-91). I was so excited when the announcement was made! This was the first time that F1 would be coming to me instead of me having to go to F1. I took extra advantage of this by going out to the circuit on the days when the teams arrived and watching them unload and set up their pit areas. It was while doing so prior to the 1990 race that something pretty cool and memorable took place. At the time, I was standing in front of the Brabham garage watching the crew preparing their cars for the race weekend (surprisingly, there were no security people around to chase out the few fans who were in the pit area watching the proceedings, not in any of those three years). Stefano Modena was standing near me at the front of the garage, also watching the crew work on his car. While I was standing there I heard someone pull up and stop right behind me on a small bicycle and begin chatting with Modena. Before I even turned around to see who it was I had recognized the voice…it was Senna! I would love to have talked to him but I have always viewed F1 drivers and any other celebrity as just being human and deserving of normal courtesies. So, as a normal courtesy I didn’t interrupt their conversation and rudely bother them. I just stood there and listened. It was just typical, friendly banter between two people, little of it having to do with racing; just “shooting the breeze” as the old saying goes. After a while they finished their conversation and Senna moved on down the pit lane, stopping to visit other garages and pleasantly chatting with other people. What particularly struck me about this is that it was such a normal, simple “human” episode, a reminder that these drivers are merely regular humans who just happen to have an uncanny ability to handle a fire breathing monster of a race car. With no need to be wearing their driving suits (there was no on track activity) they were very casually dressed and just engaged in the same kind of idle, pleasant talk that any of us engage in. It was the kind of episode that I wish every F1 fan could experience, especially those who engage in an irrational level of hero worship and hold unfair, unrealistic expectations of the drivers. This incident has always stuck with me and it was the memory of this simple human encounter that kept popping into my mind on that horrible, tragic day when Senna lost his life.
F1Brits_90
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Coinciding with the initially rejected new Concord agreement in 1997. Effectively ending F1 as we knew it.
ITV's coverage of F1 was an absolute shower of shit . A chance to get rid of Muddly, but no he's an "institution" so we need to keep the old duffer. He probably should have been in one. Then, when Muddly finally decides to pack it in we get James Allen. My god, I never believed anyone could be worse than Murray Walker, but James Allen proved me wrong.
Apparently they only used Jim Rosenthal as Steve Ryder wouldn't leave the BBC. It didn't get much better when Ryder did finally join. Rosenthal was an inspired choice though, as his lack of knowledge and clear indifference to all forms of motor racing, and F1 in particular, made Simon Taylor and Tony Jardine appear interesting and well informed. Also, who can forget the deep and incisive interviews Louise Goodman used to conduct with the drivers, or "What happened out there?", as it was.
And, of course, the adverts. Just as the race is reaching a crescendo it's time to cut to the break and remind everyone about those stock cubes we need, or how absorbent the new range of panty liners are.
Yes, the scars still run deep. Thank heavens for Eurosport's coverage, although ITV eventually put that to an end
Apparently they only used Jim Rosenthal as Steve Ryder wouldn't leave the BBC. It didn't get much better when Ryder did finally join. Rosenthal was an inspired choice though, as his lack of knowledge and clear indifference to all forms of motor racing, and F1 in particular, made Simon Taylor and Tony Jardine appear interesting and well informed. Also, who can forget the deep and incisive interviews Louise Goodman used to conduct with the drivers, or "What happened out there?", as it was.
And, of course, the adverts. Just as the race is reaching a crescendo it's time to cut to the break and remind everyone about those stock cubes we need, or how absorbent the new range of panty liners are.
Yes, the scars still run deep. Thank heavens for Eurosport's coverage, although ITV eventually put that to an end
Never a truer word written.
Fortunately Simon Taylor didn't last beyond the first year. Christ he was boring.
Didn't mind Jardine too much as he brought quite a different range of experiences.
Can't remember the race now but there was there was the famous moment where they'd held off on the ad break desperately hoping that the battle for the lead would be resolved and ultimately they had to go to their contractually bound break and we all missed it.
At least Sky got that one thing sorted by not having in race adverts in F1.
We started watching the Eurosport coverage in 1994 (bad timing I know!!) as we couldn't hack the Walker / Palmer show.
Fortunately Simon Taylor didn't last beyond the first year. Christ he was boring.
Didn't mind Jardine too much as he brought quite a different range of experiences.
Can't remember the race now but there was there was the famous moment where they'd held off on the ad break desperately hoping that the battle for the lead would be resolved and ultimately they had to go to their contractually bound break and we all missed it.
At least Sky got that one thing sorted by not having in race adverts in F1.
We started watching the Eurosport coverage in 1994 (bad timing I know!!) as we couldn't hack the Walker / Palmer show.
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F1Brits_90
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i listen to bring back v10s podcast on occasion & i remember when they did this episode. ted kravitz said that they held off & held off the final ad break, because they were sure that schumacher would overtake alonso & would do it after but it never happened & the infamous advert break arose
i came in just at the start of ITV, properly about 1999 & i was only 8, knew nothing different so i cant comment but wasnt being at the circuit & dedicated live qualifying & race every race weekend. an improvement on being apart of grandstand
i came in just at the start of ITV, properly about 1999 & i was only 8, knew nothing different so i cant comment but wasnt being at the circuit & dedicated live qualifying & race every race weekend. an improvement on being apart of grandstand
There is such a thing as too much coverage.
By the early 90's, especially with the Eurosport coverage, most Qualifying sessions were shown live anyway. Don't forget, there weren't as many F1 races at odd hours in Middle Eastern dictatorships back then. Take 1995 for example, 13 of the 17 races were held in time zones within plus or minus 3 of GMT, by 2024 there were only 9 but with 15 held further away. That's resulted in racing taking place or being shown at odd hours.
By the early 90's, especially with the Eurosport coverage, most Qualifying sessions were shown live anyway. Don't forget, there weren't as many F1 races at odd hours in Middle Eastern dictatorships back then. Take 1995 for example, 13 of the 17 races were held in time zones within plus or minus 3 of GMT, by 2024 there were only 9 but with 15 held further away. That's resulted in racing taking place or being shown at odd hours.
F1Brits_90
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F1Brits_90
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i will caveat this that i was 11. but i still cant believe they got rid of the long hockenheim, it was an absolute classic of a circuit. from what i watched, always delivered brilliant racing. like Monza & Spa. it was great to watch them blasting through the forest on such tiny wings. there was always such a high attritaion rate, i think of Berger winning in 1997 & Barrichello in 2000
its feels like it was deathknell of the circuit as it was all downhill from there
its feels like it was deathknell of the circuit as it was all downhill from there
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Not only was it an absolute ball breaker of a circuit for the cars but what I find even more unforgivable about the hatchet job Tilke did to the track is that the memorial to Jim Clark next to the spot where he had his accident has now been left to rot in the middle of the woods.
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