Monaco - The Marmite Poll

[The Artist.....]

Personally, I think that Monaco holds a place on the calendar, and deserves to be there. However, I don't believe that F1 cars should be "raced" round there.... So this sounds like a bit of a contradiction, but I just believe that the F1 cars have reached that point where they are too big and too powerful to effectively race around the principality...

So what's the solution? Well, the GP2 cars seem to be able to race - simply hold a non-championship race, in which the F1 drivers are contracted to compete in, but racing in GP2 machinery. - The lap times would merely be brought back to the levels they had at the end of the last century!

 

[Grizzly]

So what's the solution? Well, the GP2 cars seem to be able to race - simply hold a non-championship race, in which the F1 drivers are contracted to compete in, but racing in GP2 machinery. - The lap times would merely be brought back to the levels they had at the end of the last century!

Here's some fastest lap data for you TArt (great acronym i thought) '85 and '92 seem to be stand out years. 2004 (not surprising) is the record.

1950 1:51.000 Juan Manuel Fangio
1955 1:42.400 Juan Manuel Fangio
1956 1:44.400 Juan Manuel Fangio
1957 1:45.600 Juan Manuel Fangio
1958 1:40.600 Mike Hawthorn
1959 1:40.400 Jack Brabham
1960 1:36.200 Bruce McLaren
1961 1:36.300 Stirling Moss & Richie Ginther
1962 1:35.500 Jim Clark
1963 1:34.500 John Surtees
1964 1:33.900 Graham Hill
1965 1:31.700 Graham Hill
1966 1:29.800 Lorenzo Bandini
1967 1:29.500 Jim Clark
1968 1:28.100 Richard Attwood
1969 1:25.100 Jackie Stewart
1970 1:23.200 Jochen Rindt
1971 1:22.200 Jackie Stewart
1972 1:40.000 Jean-Pierre Beltoise
1973 1:28.100 Emerson Fittipaldi
1974 1:27.900 Ronnie Peterson
1975 1:28.670 Patrick Depailler
1976 1:30.280 Clay Regazzoni
1977 1:31.070 Jody Scheckter
1978 1:28.650 Niki Lauda
1979 1:28.820 Patrick Depailler
1980 1:27.418 Carlos Reutemann
1981 1:27.470 Alan Jones
1982 1:26.354 Riccardo Patrese
1983 1:27.283 Nelson Piquet
1984 1:54.334 Ayrton Senna
1985 1:22.637 Michele Alboreto
1986 1:26.607 Alain Prost
1987 1:27.685 Ayrton Senna
1988 1:26.321 Ayrton Senna
1989 1:25.501 Alain Prost
1990 1:24.468 Ayrton Senna
1991 1:24.368 Alain Prost
1992 1:21.598 Nigel Mansell
1993 1:23.604 Alain Prost
1994 1:21.076 Michael Schumacher
1995 1:24.621 Jean Alesi
1996 1:25.205 Jean Alesi
1997 1:53.315 Michael Schumacher
1998 1:22.948 Mika Häkkinen
1999 1:22.259 Mika Häkkinen
2000 1:21.571 Mika Häkkinen
2001 1:19.424 David Coulthard
2002 1:18.023 Rubens Barrichello
2003 1:14.545 Kimi Räikkönen
2004 1:14.439 Michael Schumacher
2005 1:15.842 Michael Schumacher
2006 1:15.143 Michael Schumacher
2007 1:15.284 Fernando Alonso
2008 1:16.689 Kimi Räikkönen
2009 1:15.154 Felipe Massa
2010 1:15.192 Sebastian Vettel

 

[Brogan]

Here's some fastest lap data for you TArt

http://cliptheapex.com/threads/f1-fastest-laps-circuit-de-monaco.691/

 

[Enja]

Am I right then in saying the fastest lap technically around Monaco was the 1.13.532, Qualifying 2, 2006, Kimi Raikkonen?

Why non-race lap times are never counted in 'Lap Records' I'll never fully understand. Surely the lap record is whatever lap was set around it at whatever time?

Anyway. My point was thus. Do we think there is a chance that "Enja's Lap Record" 1.13.5 might get broken next weekend in qualifying?

I reckon they'll get close.

 

[FB]

My missus bought me a photographic history of the Monaco Grand Prix a few years ago which I would recommend if you have the cash to spare - crap race, brilliant spectacle.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Monaco-Gran...4011/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1306090092&sr=8-5

 

[RevMaxPower]

Do REMEMBER Sunday....

 

[The Enforcer]

There is no doubting that Monaco doesn't offer up particularly exciting races, but for me it means so much more than that. It's the very 1st race I remember seeing as a child in the 70's and it just always manages to capture the old romantic in me.

The backdrop is simply stunning, the skill on display from the drivers threading the cars between the barriers can't fail to impress even the most sceptical of F1 critics and for so many non-F1 fans, it's the one race they are inclined to tune in and watch. This in turn boosts the profile of the spot, increases sponsorship revenue and ultimately benefits the teams and true fans alike.

I would sooner see F1 at Monaco over Valencia, Barcelona, Bahrain, China, Shanghai, Abu Dhabi and Malaysia, not to mention all the other countries trying to by their way into F1.

Yes it can be a procession, but my advice is sit back and enjoy the skill on display in HD glory and if the artificial new rules make it more interesting, then at least we can exercise our grey matter and hypothesise what the outcome might be come the chequered flag.

As a footnote I strongly urge anyone that has the opportunity to attend a Monaco race does so, F1 races always manage to make the hair on my neck stand up with the noise, but Monaco is something else with the sound reverbarating from every angle. Magic stuff!

 

[mjo]

IT SHOULD STAY

Ultimate test of a driver, it is unique as a circuit and surely f1 wants variety in the calendar?

 

[Speshal]

Welcome to The Enforcer and Mjo - have a complimentary

 

[FB]

And welcome from me too. Just in case anyone forgets why Monaco is special - the master of Monaco at work

As I said before though, great spectacle, crap race.

 

[mjo]

cheers

 

[The Enforcer]

Thanks Speshal, I shall wear it with pride

 

[KekeTheKing]

....I don't believe that F1 cars should be "raced" round there.....I just believe that the F1 cars have reached that point where they are too big and too powerful to effectively race around the principality...

The Artist formerly known as Nelson Piquet I presume?

 

[Brogan]

I've changed my mind after today's race.

The queues of cars was just ridiculous, as there simply isn't any way of passing without taking a huge risk.

Get rid of it off the calendar.
Its time is over.

 

[Fenderman]

I've always loved Monaco but todays race was nuts. I agree with Brogan, I think finally it has had it's day as an F1 venue. I watched the Porsche Supercup and Renault World Series earlier on Eurosport and those were dull apart from the odd crash as well.

Should we have a new poll?

 

[Sarinaide]

Hook it, doesn't really make compelling racing at all, accidents are not compelling.

 

[RevMaxPower]

I've changed my mind after today's race.

The queues of cars was just ridiculous, as there simply isn't any way of passing without taking a huge risk.

Get rid of it off the calendar.
Its time is over.

I've always loved Monaco but todays race was nuts. I agree with Brogan, I think finally it has had it's day as an F1 venue. I watched the Porsche Supercup and Renault World Series earlier on Eurosport and those were dull apart from the odd crash as well.

Should we have a new poll?

It was NOT a race. It was a motoring event of which the outcome was determined by who had what tyres and when. Nobody could overtake safely. All in all Hype City.

PINNACLE? Nah...

 

[Sarinaide]

It was NOT a race. It was a motoring event of which the outcome was determined by who had what tyres and when. Nobody could overtake safely. All in all Hype City.

PINNACLE? Nah...

A rich mans glamour event.......tis not about racing

 

[RevMaxPower]

A rich mans glamour event.......tis not about racing

Fairy Nuff - you're not wrong. We only had to look at the "Podium" to see that!

 

[mjo]

Monaco is something special, a unique event. It has been on the calendar since 1950, most of the drivers, teams, and the majority of the fans love it there, it is a different challenge, it is the grand prix all the drivers want to win and, for the viewer, in Monaco, ANYTHING can happen, due to the proximity of the barriers etc. We don't want to watch racing on similar, purpose - built tracks all of the time, we want a bit of variety, and that is what Monaco brings.