Grand Prix 2013 Monaco Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

The Artist.....

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Hamberg.... To be honest, I have to question the whole idea of a safety car.... Massa's accident was at Sainte Devote. The only place on the circuit where a safety car was needed was to slow the field through Sainte Devote to protect the marshalls, yet the safety car comes out onto the circuit AFTER Sainte Devote, so had to do a lap before it even slowed down the field through that section! Where is the logic in that? It is, in fact, completely barmy! If anyone's really going to have a complaint about speed, it might be about Hamilton on that lap, as I believe that he was the fastest person through that sector - I don't have any complaints, by the way.....
 

Wombcat

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I think it's quite logical that the SC comes onto the track after St. Devote, because the SC comes out of the pits. Coming from the pits you enter the circuit after St. Devote.

I thought the strange thing about the SC is that it was only employed after they cleared Massa's car from the track. But I understood that they found that the barrier had to be repaired. Anyway I expected the SC a few laps earlier.
 

The Artist.....

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Wombcat...

It need not come out from the pits... THere's no reason why there couldn't be several safety cars positioned around the circuit; then the race could be neutralised in a much safer manner!
 

Wombcat

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Wombcat...

It need not come out from the pits... THere's no reason why there couldn't be several safety cars positioned around the circuit; then the race could be neutralised in a much safer manner!
Maybe there's no reason not to, but are there several SC's positioned? Not as far as I know, although there is a spare SC.
 

Hamberg

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This may be unpopular with some but that race got more exciting after the safety car, we actually got to see some quite good overtaking/battles (and some questionable ones).
 
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Quintessentially

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Wombcat...

It need not come out from the pits... THere's no reason why there couldn't be several safety cars positioned around the circuit; then the race could be neutralised in a much safer manner!



That's why you have double waved yellows meaning slow down and be prepared to stop. You cannot have the safety joining the circuit at random places because that could be even more dangerous. This is akin to drivers joining motorways wherever they want and ignoring slip roads. The SC is much slower than an F1 car and drivers need a very clear line of vision of it joining the circuit because of the dangers of closing speeds. FIA can also display safety information like flags and SC deployment on driver screens so they behave themselves. Massa's car was cleared with no major issues as were other big incidents over the weekend.

If anyone's really going to have a complaint about speed, it might be about Hamilton on that lap, as I believe that he was the fastest person through that sector - I don't have any complaints, by the way.....


Hamilton setting the fastest time through that sector doesn't necessarily mean he drove through the the incident at speed or violated any safety rules, if this is what you are suggesting. The sector obviously covers a wider range than the accident spot and most of it would not have been under regulation.
 

Wombcat

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Quintessentially, I wasn't suggesting anything about Hamilton, just wondering why the SC was deployed only after the wreck of Massa's car was cleared from the circuit and why the SC was deployed after that.
 

Chad Stewarthill

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I still can't help thinking the safety car rules in general are pants.

I would have thought that they could allow anyone who wished to to pit, then re-form the train in the same order as the cars were in at the time the SC was signalled. No doubt someone more clever than me will say why that wouldn't work.

Also, instead of releasing lapped cars only for the SC to then have to stay out longer while the released cars re-catch the back of the train (while not exceeding the lap delta time), why can't the lapped cars drop back through the field instead, but be credited a lap on the timing computer?
 

Wombcat

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Chad Stewarthill, if they re-order the cars in the same order as when the SC was signalled, then you'd be at a huge disadvantage if you had just pitted. If Rosberg had just pitted when te SC would have come on track in this race, then he'd drop to place 5-10. Then the others get a free pitstop, but he's dropped way to the back.

With the delta times is as fair as you can get the SC-situation imo.
 
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