Head To Head Jenson Button vs Lewis Hamilton

[Galahad]

Well, I don't like that graph much.

The 2001 Benetton was a horrible car with a radical engine that was overweight and unreliable, an absolute shitbox. But nonetheless Fisi was quite a bit quicker than JB throughout the season. This was the basis of the pre-2009 naysayers - and I was one - who didn't think he was made of the right stuff. Maybe in 2001 he wasn't, but, he is now.

 

[racecub]

Ok. I'm gonna play Devils advocate here........since its a button/Hamilton thread. Could anyone provide a similar graph for Hamilton and his team mates since Hamilton joined F1? I'm an abysmal mathematician...I'm with the arts but I think Hamilton has scored 83% over his team mates since he joined F1 while Button has scored 61% over his team mates,a considerably better percentage here going to Hamilton. Then if we look at the quality of the team mates we see that for 67% of Hamilton's time he has been up against a world champion or higher. For 23% of Buttons time has he been up against a world champion. Just thought I'd point that out. I'll go and hide now..........................

 

[The Artist.....]

racecub.... Depending on what metric you use, you can try and find a statistic that will always make one driver appear better than the other... For instance, Button has scored more points in a season than 2 world champions who were team mates... whilst Hamilton has only ever scored more points in a season than 1 world champion.... You see all these comparisons are garbage, and completely unnecessary

 

[racecub]

Yeah I know statistics can be manipulated to suit. That's why I popped in an opposing view.

 

[Galahad]

If we're comparing Button and Hamilton, why not compare their time driving for the same team? What they did before seems incidental at best. Qualifying goes for Lewis, Politics to Jenson, Races are a draw. Case closed(?)

 

[The Artist.....]

Galahad I think you're absolutely correct - people often use JB's early career as a stick to beat him with - however, I think it's worth remembering that he had an unconventional start in F1 at best, and lacked the backing that other drivers have more recently had (For instance Vettel with Red Bull)... JB certainly started in F1 before he was ready, but then had he had to stay in F3 for an additional year, he would have run out of money!

 

[Galahad]

The Artist..... You're right, but Button's debut year with Williams was excellent. To be honest I've yet to hear a convincing explanation for what happened at Benetton that year. Though in 2000 there was the Wurz car...JB was only ever on loan, due to go back to Grove...good old Flav was never shy in giving his favourites their best chance to shine.

 

[Kamui-FastestChefInTheWorld]

Not brilliant, nor colourful, but I believe correct

 

[no-FIAt-please]

Previous table expressed in points rather than championship position.



Just noticed this thread has 45,000 (!!!) views

 

[racecub]

Thanks KamuI-Fastest Chieften in the world really really thank you for that post. Your name is ACE!!! But tricky to remember when posting quickly........ It's ok. I rarely post quickly. well actually I do, then regret it hugely

 

[Kamui-FastestChefInTheWorld]

Just call me Kamui, everyone else seems to And you're welcome

 

[racecub]

Cool KamuI I can manage that

 

[Bill Boddy]

Could it be that one reason that Briatore didn't like Button was that he was not Button's manager?

 

[racecub]

Could be one reason....

 

[ExtremeNinja]

Those are some beautiful charts Kamui-FastestChefInTheWorld and no-FIAt-please

I particularly like the points one, which I think is more reflective. It is possible for two drivers to be very close on points but separated by a number of championship positions or to be consecutive in championship points but with a large gap in terms of points.

 

[ATL11]

Button

 

[EvilWhippet]

I just read that Hamilton has outqualified Button 13-3 this year.

I'm not trying to add to the who's quicker, Button v Hamilton debate, but it made me wonder just how relentlessly Hamilton's failure would have been dissected had he been outqualified by Button 13-3.

 

[Brogan]

It's 12-4 in Hamilton's favour: http://cliptheapex.com/pages/2012-head-to-head/

 

[no-FIAt-please]

True but let's not forget the shambles in Spain, which should have been in Hamilton's favour.

 

[The Artist.....]

EvilWhippet

I think it's a case of everyone having an expectation that Hamilton is faster in qualifying... If it was the other way round, it would be a shock- and as such would be used as a stick - when Hamilton is consistently faster, it's not a shock!